The Ninth Child: A Life of Secrets, Survival and Rebellion

0:04 Tune in for another episode of Bankedoutt Radio Show, titled Music and Business. And today on the business side, we're talking with Miss Tina Marie, or you might know her as the author, Tina Marie Hunt. Three books, first of all. That's a lot. At least three books in the same year. Now we're gonna get into it and I got another comment about that as well. But Tina, thank you for coming onto the platform. We never did, we didn't do an interview or anything before, haven't we? Isn't this the first video? I mean, not first video, look at that. See, I'm sitting there talking about videos instead of talking about this. This is the first interview, isn't it? This is the first interview outside of what you've done for us. Yeah, with the podcast episodes and stuff.

0:52 Yeah. Are you ever gonna start that back up or? I want to start my own podcast up. I want to read it and I'm going to call it black plus brilliant. The audacity. Okay, before you start it up, we have a conversation because I want to put you on some game with all that. But you can you can start making money from your after your attempt to download. Sounds good to me. Yeah, because, you know, well, first of all, statistics just put them out there. People don't know there's over six million podcasts and only 10 % of actually active meaning that they survived and went past their first 10 episodes. Wow. That's across all genres. So you're talking about narrating, interview style, relationships, cooking, whatever you can think of as something to where people make a podcast about, it falls within that 10 % spectrum.

1:45 So people think it's over saturated. It's not even, it ain't even hit the point yet. Reason being is because people don't realize how much, huh? I believe that. yeah because people don't realize how well yeah they believe that it's over saturated because they see so many of them out there but what they're not they're looking at the creation numbers and not the active numbers and the active number is what you know i'm saying for the industry so 90 percent of them are not even active that's because you know they don't realize how much work it is it's a lot of work yeah because you're building a platform just like being an author you know it's all a business your business Your business now, do you recognize that you're a business by being an author? I guess I didn't think of it that way, you know But I guess you're right yeah I've done I've interviewed. Oh No, let's say I can't even remember about ten offers now, right? I've also interviewed What they call them? It's sort of like brokers.

2:47 They're publishing agencies Publicist? Publicist? No, not the publicist. Well, when you say publicist, I'm thinking of a PR person for music and stuff. I'm talking about the actual publishing house company. Editors? Not the editors. They actually broker. They help broker publishing deals. Oh. Listen. Well, this is why I wanted to talk about this, because it correlates. So I was talking to this guy, I was back in, I think I want to say 2023 or maybe 2024. I gotta go find an interview. I'll have to send you a link to it. But he was telling me about the numbers when it comes to people writing this stuff. It's very easy to upload your own book to Amazon KDP, which is Kindle Direct Publishing. And now it's available for print on demand all over the world. So getting somebody to actually pay attention to your book is far more difficult today than it was a few years ago. The average author sells 100 books in their lifetime. Now I have a pretty big audience, a couple hundred thousand followers. My goal was originally to get the book out in June and then give myself six months to sell 10 ,000 copies.

4:04 So did you know that you actually are in the top one percent of authors who publish? What? Yeah, because he says only 1 % of out authors who's actually right only 1 % of them actually published I Can honor that? A lot of books that are written that are not published. I dig that I do Wow And then guess what you get like we were talking about this was fascinating. It's business to me He said that over a lifetime, right? Authors only who self -publish or, you know, maybe they link up with a publisher, but they're using them more like a distribution platform and we'll get into yours as well. They only sell 100 books over their lifetime. Yeah, there's a lot of them that fit in that category. Wow.

5:00 Yeah. So I'm like, 100? I'm like, man, shoot, if I published a book and yeah, I hit that 100, I hit past that. But it's about the creative aspect of it for the author most times. You know what I'm saying? Because you have those people who fall in the realms of, and I feel like, you know what I'm saying? You're like me. But most people fall in the realms of the creative space of creating something, right? And that's what they're great at. Right. They don't know how to execute on the business side or like, you know, really get it to where, you know, people are seeing the value in what they're doing. So they have a hard time with that and they struggle. I believe you can do both sides. I think you can. And it all depends on your bandwidth, too.

5:49 Well, that's what I was saying. Like, you know, a lot of creative people who are left -brained or whichever side of the hemisphere of the brain it is, they stick on that side and then the logic side of the opposite side. You don't have that many who can bounce between both being creative and seeing the logic as far as like business and stuff. right side and the logic rest in the left okay so yes but there's not a lot of people who can you know exercise both parts like that so so the ones that you know they're like like a tennis ball go back before between both sides those are the uh special people that's us Yeah, I guess. Special is not a bad thing here. I wonder about me because I do the most. I don't say you do the most. I just say that you're ambitious, right? You like to get things done. You have a vision for something you like to execute. I do. Sometimes, you know, everybody. is not on par with all that or whatever, because maybe they can't pull it off to the magnitude of what they want to, or they just don't want to admit that that's where their weakness is. That's so true. Yeah, so, but I want to get into one, based off of your background and what I do know, what would lead you down this road of becoming an

7:22 author? So when I saw this question, I was like, well, what kind of question is this? I have lots of fun questions. What? So I'm just just honestly, nothing really inspired me to become an author. I needed to tell my story. And I felt like that was the only way to really tell my story. Writing it down helped people to understand what I really did go through. You know, I can sit and talk to you for um minutes or hours or conversational and I still won't get a chance to tell you the story the way it actually happened um and a lot of people used to say to me you need to write a book and that was cool and I even tried it I tried it for years maybe like eight years but I had to realize that it wasn't for them My story inspired it. The encouragement was there, but the truth is the book was for my healing. So why publish it then? Because again, you could have just kept it to yourself and you would have got what you were looking for, which was the healing. Absolutely could have done that, but I published it because maybe someone else has a similar story or some similar things that has happened to them in the way that it happened to me or a similar, you know, because now I only

8:52 not only did I have religious organization or a cult experience, I also am a trauma survivor, domestic violence, all of those things. So there are things in that book that can relate to everyone, man or a girl. So we're talking about your memoir, the Russian roulette. Yes, which is 391 pages. Yes, ma 'am. Harry Potter series. Harry Potter series over here. I love it, though. You had so much experience and so much to put out there that it had to amass to that, which is fantastic.

9:40 in the way that, you know what I'm saying, it shows the story. And just from like a content creation standpoint, oh my goodness, that would be a whole lot of content that could just be created just based off the story alone. I agree. So yeah, I'm like, I know people who have written books where, you know, they've been turned into movies and stuff. And I'm like, that's like, you know what I'm saying, that's a couple of movies. It would be and people are like, well, I wish Curtis Jackson get a hold of this or Lila Waithe or something and it become a series. I'm like, I wish too. You never know though, put it out there in universal laws of attraction, huh? Right. So was that the first one you started writing? Because again, like I just mentioned earlier, you put out three books in one year and two of them on the same day. So it did by no stretch of imagination are these books. like 30, 40, 50 pages. A novel to the black man, the ink of creation is 155 pages. And then the, is that the go glow? Yes. 113 pages. That's still a lot. I wrote Russian roulette first. How long did it take you to write that? I am embarrassed to say that it took me 10 weeks. Why is that an embarrassment? You sound like you just locked in. I did. I did. You were writing every day,

11:12 like, what, six, seven hours a day or four hours a day, something like that? It just depended on how the day went because there were times that I could not write because of some of the things that I had to revisit took a lot out of me and I completely had to deal with that and process through those emotions. But I would write when I had spare time. I didn't talk on the phone. I didn't watch TV. I mean, if I woke up in the middle of the night, I was writing. I mean, talking into my voice notes, remembering things, recalling all of that. So I didn't stop. I just kept going. This sounds like back when I used to be an active recording artist, way back when, about 10 plus years ago. Which, by the way, can still go on streaming music if you figure out my recording name. But anyway, you said what? I'm going to do it. Don't challenge me. It's not hard to find.

12:12 Like DI said, it is not hard to find. But I remember recording two projects at the same time. So I understand where you enter this space of creativity. you just got to get out because it keeps nacking at you, nacking at you. Like you literally cannot sleep because you will wake up. And I had this experience actually recently where when I was redoing the podcast and trying to figure out like which distribution platform that I want to switch to, I want to go ahead and get it to the point to where, you know, I'm in an area I want to build up. And as I build, I want to learn from what I did when I was in making and execute that even faster. to where I can build this platform and then, you know, I can have all this different, you know, money coming in.

12:56 Money isn't the focal point, but I don't want any of my energy and efforts to go to waste either. Right. So I woke up with all these different ideas and just kept on researching and researching and just coming up with different stuff. And my brain would not turn off until I executed all this stuff. And like over the last couple of weeks, I've done at least about 12 interviews. And I've been, you know, gradually putting them out. And then I have more. What's today? Thursday. I got two tomorrow. I have one scheduled already and I stopped doing them on the weekend just so I could have some sanity and also enjoy the weekend. But then I got one lined up, I think, for Monday and another one already scheduled for next week as well. And I got a few more that are interested. I'll keep going this thing out, but I do understand that process. Do you feel like at this particular point, you was able to get out all that creativity? I still have it going. So you're still working on stuff now, even though... I have so many things that I'm working on. So now you just basically got a...

14:08 What do they say? Like you only live life once and stuff like that, so no matter what you do, it makes you happy. I agree because when I wrote Rush and Roulette, probably about three weeks before I published that book, I started writing Go Glow because something in me was like, wait a minute, now you're getting ready to go through a glow. Like you cracked open and I got to take you through this process. But I want you to tell somebody else so they know how to do it. And then during the Go Glow, it was like, well, maybe men. may want something too. So a lot of black, a lot of our culture come to me to talk. I work in HR as a professional and I used to be a pastor's wife and that put the front and center for people to just confide in me. I know a lot. And my big brother, he's, you know, my best friend, he's a guy. And I'm like, hey, nobody ever stops to encourage the black man. Not really, I think I've forgotten about species over here. So I wanted that to be my love letter to the black man. So how would you like title that in as far as what category would they put that under? Self -help, healing. And then the go glow as well or? Yes. Now the Russian roulette. I understand

15:40 what a memoir is, but I want everybody else to understand as well. So it's a memoir and it's autobiographical. Did I say it right? I think so. But it's more about a piece in time in your life as opposed to going into the chronological order for it. Yes, it is definitely written nonlinear. I didn't. I went in chronological, but I didn't because sometimes stories can't be told in the fullness chronologically because everything doesn't always unfold right away. Exactly. I love that you said that. What was your expectations for these books? like as you're writing them and then you're like, you know what? I'm gonna publish them. Did you have any expectations for them?

16:41 Honestly, there has been no expectations for me. Other people have expectations, but my expectation was just to use my voice. I found my voice again. I had been silenced for a long time. I found my place and I realized that my voice is powerful. Why not go? So as you're going through this process, how did your network of people? Accept the idea that okay. I'm about to write these books, but you know, we like to share our ideas and stuff like that Everybody like no, I didn't know actually.

17:22 Um, I didn't tell a whole lot of people when I began I told Let me see how many people did I tell? Maybe two or three people who I really, really trusted. Were they encouraging? Very much so. One person I told last year, I wish I had never told him, but I thought he forgot all about it. And one day out of nowhere, he was just like, when are you going to write your book? And I was like, what? And went out of sight out of mind and a couple of months later something transpired and it just cracked a memory open in me and I was like, oh I'm gonna write that down and then from that and on I just couldn't stop So why didn't you like the fact that you told that person?

18:13 I'm sorry. Why didn't you like the fact that you told that person? Because he remembered and I didn't expect him to So you didn't want to be held accountable? Not for that, because I didn't know if I was ready. Andreas, honestly, I've been trying to write that book for eight years. And every time I could never get past chapter one or two. Those were the hardest. It wasn't time for you though. I get it. I get it now. You see like, okay, so let's go here then. You put the book out and from my understanding, I don't know which ones the people were reacting to. I just saw them reacting. So you tell me, which one were they reacting to? Russian Roulette.

18:58 Okay. So you put this book out and I see all these positive comments with it. You were supposed to like, you know, touch people. And had you not stuck to that, because it's easy to get, you know, I tell people all the time. One of the easiest things to do is to quit. I agree. You know, quitting is quitting. It's so easy. But look what you did. You stuck with the idea. Even though you couldn't get past, you know, chapter one or chapter two, you still allow the idea to just sit there and ferment and, you know, grow and, you know, eventually blossom once they got, you know, what you needed as far as the idea to be watered and nurtured and all that stuff, whatever, even like the accountability, all that stuff. They had you not done that You don't know what you know saying those people would have not experienced in how You know, you're supposed to change lives when you put your stories out there. I agree And it turns people like, you know, maybe they're going left But they need to turn right or maybe they're going right and they need to turn left and it's three years worth of inspiration Yeah, and I mean it in a bad way that I was upset with him because he reminded me It was just that I think I didn't expect him to you know what I'm saying. I just didn't have that expectation I get that you know I get that you know, but it's good to be you know I'm saying that people hold you accountable though It is

20:29 I appreciate him now. Mm -hmm. I really do So what has been the most gratifying thing that you've experienced so far in releasing this to the public? The most gratifying thing for me is has been the reach and Knowing that people actually read it and can relate to it I can take something away from it for themselves Forget that have you met anyone else who have like had similar experiences like you know like to say being in the cult or anything to that magnitude Not directly, no. At what point did you realize you were the Nicole? Right before I got a divorce.

21:22 Okay, I get that. What helped shed light on that for you? You know, because sometimes it might take, you know, other people to say things or strangers. It did, it did. It was years of just people here and there saying things. Maybe about eight years of people constantly, not necessarily constantly, just, you know, here and there. And I think 2015 was the year that really started to pay attention to a lot of things. And my sister and I talked about some things because we were both in there together. We talked about some things that we were experiencing and we didn't understand and we vowed to leave together. But we didn't leave until 2016. People at my job would tell me, hey, you know, that's a cult or.

22:25 People musicians friends would say oh, that's a cold or and I'm like, no, it's not I could prove this prove that but eventually I started to do my own research and Like is this something that I see myself doing for the rest of my life like or is this what God actually? Intended for me is to be under the control of someone else someone who doesn't want me to better myself or they just have children for the rest of my life and nothing wrong with that, but That's the expect that was the expectation of the ministry. Yeah, because I birthed 12 kids I don't know if you want to touch on that now there, but you know Okay, so as because it's your memoir if these are your truth yeah, so your quote -unquote characters How do they feel about notes in your truth in your perspective and it being out there?

23:26 My characters only two of them three of them have said anything. I don't know how the rest of them feel and honestly Maybe a year or two ago. I told them I said, hey, I'm gonna write a book one day I'm just letting y 'all know and they were like, well I don't care if you say whatever you got to say and I said I'm gonna put your name in it And a couple of those characters have their real name and they know Yeah So they'll get that I didn't know that you were, let me get this right, the 9th of 10. Yeah. 10th of the 11th because I was told after I wrote the book that my mom had a miscarriage right before me. Oh, wow. But let's see, my girl called it a rainbow baby. Rainbow child, yes. I've just learned about that term recently. I didn't know what that meant. So I asked them, like, what does that mean? They're like, oh, it's the child that comes after the miscarriage. I'm like, oh, OK. I guess Tess got my hands on that. I got to think about that. Yeah, so when I read that, I was like, you know what? The first time I thought of my head, I thought about Wilma Rudolph and how she came from a big family but you know way more than uh 10 though but then you also having 12 and i'm like i wonder if that played a role

24:57 in that so let everybody know how is it being a mother of 12 i mean you have a dozen how is it being a mother of 12 yeah um it used to be full of anxiety I get that. But as I accepted my path, as I lived my life and stopped grasping for breath, I learned that my kids are pretty cool. And being mothering them now is a joy.

25:41 I mean, I wish I could go back and do better. For those days, um, I would go in my room and close the door and go to sleep and maybe jumping off the couch cooking Whatever my house side is 2020 though. I mean we can't do that Because we're learning is you know i'm saying me, you know i'm saying being a father of eight. We're learning And you know Exactly. So I had to use what it is. I had to reparent me so that I can learn how to parent them I definitely get there with uh, I hope it's the youngest now She's 11. Okay, and then oldest She'll be 25 this month Okay, so you got a whole good range of mixtures and stuff. They're still going to like graduations and things of that nature Yeah, and then still, you know learning the world and I think you know, the more kids we have the better it makes us anyway because You know the first few are a couple, you know, we're learning our lessons as parents And we get to be better parents to the younger ones. That's why I say anyway, my first said my second said they had different experiences.

26:47 You know, I'm a man enough to admit that not saying I was bad, but I could have done some things differently. But at the same time, I was still a young parent and learned. Right. And we all do that. What writing like all these pieces of work? What has been like the most? I guess. What's the one thing that stands out to you? What have you learned as an author? Oh my gosh. I learned that... I don't know if I learned a lesson from writing. I think the lesson was already there. Writing helped me to understand it, organize it, and face it. And if anything, writing opened the portals to my purpose. So what is your purpose?

27:42 To use my voice Okay, so now you build a platform to use your voice Yes, whatever that is my frameworks my books my authorship my partnership that I'm working with with someone else right now that belongs to my purpose I Like that Does that scare you in any way as far as like, you know, yes, okay Yeah, this is a good scare though. It is a good scary Okay, it's not the bad scares the good scary I think I think Jeezy said his quote one time where If your dreams or your goals don't scare you then your goals aren't big enough. I Man, I swear one morning. I woke up and was like what actually Because I feel like I'm getting ready to make magic, right some magic happened, especially in our community. I can't talk about it right now, but I can't wait to tell you. And one morning I woke up and it was just like, do you really know what you're about to start? And I was like, uh, I really don't. And then when I thought about it, I was like, yo, you did.

28:58 So I'll tell you this much. I built a cartoon using AI and I generated over 1 ,000 clips, but I put together 288 second clips to form an entire story arc. One of the first type, and I can't wait to share more details about it. That's another thing that you're being creative. And you're tapping into that because you know, I knew that when you know shooting podcasts and stuff like that I was like, oh yeah, she's creative. I can just tell She has all this it's telling inside of her and it just takes you know I'm saying doing one thing to the next thing to the next thing to where you know People will see all the different creative things put together and form projects whether it be books cartoon, whatever the case may be That aspect of you so pushing all these books like how do you promote your books and put them out there and let people know about them? Right now I'm really not heavily promoting them because I've been kind of engorged in my frameworks and what I have going on because in the middle of me building that collaboration I'm also building a leadership framework for professionals. So I want to keep Want to get this all out of my head. I just got to so I'm

30:29 looking into hiring a group of promoters to Assist me with that because I don't have the bandwidth now get it you talk Like I said like I was talking to a few authors one time where I got these books and I was reading them and there was someone who wrote a Book just as big as yours Somewhere around there. And when I was reading her story, I was like, man, this would be great content for skits. Wow. I was like, no, you have to look at it like differently. How people interpret stuff. Right. When you find someone who could take something that you have and like repurpose it, just let it take the life of its own. So I think that's a tool that authors should utilize.

31:23 And find people, you know, opportunity to do stuff like that. Like I do that with songs right now. Have I done anyone's books? I don't think I've done anyone's books per se, but I've read stories where, you know, you can easily do that and like pull out that type of material in his. It's great because it's original in the fact that, you know, I'm saying it's something different, but it also swings back to the book. Yeah, like, you know what? I'm gonna go check that out and stuff like that, because if they didn't pull stuff off like that, because to me, books are nothing but like. Manuscripts for movies and stuff differently. I agree. So, you know, it could be in the play. Do you plan on like being a full time creative, like, you know, in a near future or. I want to get to that point in in.

32:21 I would like to be near, but I'm patient with with with it coming. But I would that that's really my purpose. And I know that I can't eventually won't be able to work a full time job and walk in my purpose because my purpose is going to be my job. And I'll tell you what my framework is. And I call it Lisa Mind. And it stands for legacy intelligence. This and something else right now. I can't think about it. I'll tell you a minute. Yeah, but Lisa mine is a personality assessment For our culture because we got this you got right path. You got blooms taxonomy You have all these things and me working in LND for the last 16 years I've came across a lot of personalities and because I have facilitation, um, Analyzation certifications, I know right path for instance, I know this, I understand how it works. Let me build my own and let me give it to our people and let me show them who they are. like I know who I am. Because yeah, those tests will give you a brief synopsis of what you are, but it doesn't get to the root. It doesn't tell you how to navigate through life using yourself, how to lead with soul using your own personality type, how not to be like anyone else. I'm implementing that along with a book that I've written to go along with it called The Soft Leader. leading

33:52 by design. But I'm getting ready to patent up the LisaMind Learning Institute. You have Dale Carnegie School of Learning. You have John Maxwell Learning Institute. Well, I'm going to pilot the LisaMind Learning Institute. That's what's up. No, we need stuff that's catered to us, though, because I don't think, you know, we live in a world dominated by, you know, decision -makings that, you know, especially when it comes to like culture. I agree. And our culture being monetized so much we've been setting trends since the 40s and 50s. I agree. We continuously do so but yet we're not big partakers in those industries where you know that revenue comes through. So we need organizations like that. They're like basically who go right up for us by us. Yes. we have someone that can talk to us and we get it, we understand the lingo, we understand the nuances, we understand the micro expressions, all of those things that are very important, you know, and how we make decisions and how do we process information and make decisions as a community because it's not the same. It's not. It's really not. So all those things are important to be talked about. So yes, take the, you know, leadership of, you know, doing that and be the trailblazer for it. So I'm here for it. And I want to see you walk in

35:25 that purpose and the bright light that you are as you know, that's what I saw. And I love nurturing people's dreams. I think a lot of times when people talk about their dreams and ambitions, and when other people don't understand them, they try to dismiss them and cast them to the side. But I'm like, no, you can't do that. One, I tell anybody, go for it, even if it sounds wacky or whatever, because you never know what's gonna happen. Until you put it out there into the marketplace, you don't know. And then even if it doesn't hit the goal that you wanted it to hit, it's just a goal. It doesn't mean that you failed. I think failure is, you know, not trying at all. I think nothing beats a failure but a try. Exactly. So why not go out there, you know, and see what happens? Because that will inspire like you. You know what I'm saying?

36:23 The wheelhouses will turn and you start producing all this stuff and then you'll look up 10, 20 years from now. Exactly. You have all this, this catalog of the stuff that you've done. I will tell you what LISA stands for. It's Legacy Insight Structural Alignment. Legacy is honoring ancestral wisdom, cultural memory, and emotional labor, especially from our community, which is behind the system. It's the root of the system, right? The insight, the ability to see yourself clearly through patterns, soul intelligence, emotional honesty, self -awareness. This is your mirror. your awakening, um, structure, creating systems, tools, and rituals. That's the same growth, peace, power, and purpose. And this is your architecture and then aligning yourself with it, living, loving, leading in ways that match your truth, your timing, and your soul. That's what's up. I love it. Can't wait to see this finished product. Look, you can be a prototype. If you'd like to take the personality test, I can send you a link. Yeah, send me the link. I'll take the personality test.

37:27 Okay. I love to do stuff like that. It reminds me when I was at Fort Valley, I used to go to the Career Development Center and take a test as far as like, you know, what you like and things of that nature. And I used to tell other students about it. I was like, how do you not know about this? And it was an underutilized program that was in, I think it was the Peabody, not the Peabody building, what was it? Pettigrew building? I can't remember, but it was one of the buildings on campus. And I was like, Why isn't stuff like this pushed all the time? Because you have a lot of kids who will go to college, one, because their parents want them to, and they're not really going because they want to go. So then you get there, well, what are you going to major in?

38:08 Or what do you like to do? And they're confused. So why not go and take these tests to show you all the areas where you have a high interest and they gave you interest one, two, and three. So you might find that you like agriculture or in archaeology or whatever. Right. And never knew it. And I'm like, these type of tests, excuse me, are needed to help with directing and guidance instead of just running people through a meal. I agree. And I wouldn't be a practitioner if I didn't try to guess your profile. So. There are 10 archetypes. And out of the 10 archetypes, I think you have the mirror, which is a reflective relation. You're reflective, relationally aware, and you hold space. I think you have the flame.

38:59 You're passionate, activating emotionally and magnetic. And I also think you have the sensor, which you sense energy and pattern reading. And you have some architecting, you two, because you're strategic and you're structured and precision driven. There might be some Guardian and Curran in there somewhere, but we're gonna see. Yeah, we're gonna see. I would love to see these results. But now, I'm like, that sounds like me though, in so different, many aspects, even more like entrepreneurship. And I've been recently interviewing real, doing interviews with people that I've done interviews with about three, four years ago, and they're telling me, you really inspired me. And I'm like, I didn't realize the magnitude of what I was doing at the time. I just felt it in my calling to build something to bring recognition to folks that necessarily wouldn't get the recognition on bigger platforms and for people to, that to be a Kickstarter for them.

40:05 Cause no one really wants, no one really does that for folks. Like I always feel like, you know what I'm saying? You're supposed to pass the baton. It's your, Duty and responsibility to pass the baton to someone else and to bring them along for the ride I'm not to like gatekeep a whole lot of stuff not to be like, you know I'll build this whatever is like I do collaboration for other podcasts I've been on other podcasts and I bring them on mine and we do like interviews swapping and stuff like that And I'm like, it's never about oh, no, I just want people to see me. No, it's never been about that so I was about putting other people on because This information needs to be told. And like, I realized through podcasting, everyone has a story. Absolutely.

40:53 And everyone does not get the opportunity to tell those stories. So I am always actively reaching out. But I do have a fantastic question though for you. I've been doing this. It's a little different. So since you're an author now, right? I imagine that you read other people's work. Who would be two authors from the middle Georgia area that you would like to highlight? I can't hear you. I'm whispering middle Georgia area. Okay, well, you know, just let's say the state of Georgia then. State of Georgia. Do you have local book clubs down there that you talk to people with? I don't I don't even read I Listen to them. Oh, okay. I don't really know a middle Georgia author, but I know two people that I inspired their writing and they became an author.

42:06 Okay well who are those two people? Toria Demps is from my hometown but she now lives in another state and Brandy Dixon is my classmate from high school and she now lives in another state. And they both started writing? Yes well Brandy has been writing but she told me that I encouraged her to pick up the pen again. So this was it so I'm gonna need their social media handles and stuff so I can reach out to them so I can get their story. Okay, I'll get you. But that's putting them on, yes, reach out to them. That's what's up, I love it. Is there anything that we haven't discussed that you want to talk about?

42:49 I don't know, not unless you have any more questions about Russian roulette or the Napalm or any of the other things that we talked about. One, I will encourage people to go and purchase these books, reading the samples that I've read. I was like, okay, yeah, I could see where, especially with the Russian roulette, the way you started off talking about childhood, the creaking floors, the, what did you say, the green and white, the house? Yes. I was like, yeah, I might have to get that. And then I was reading the black man, a novel to the black man. Um started that one.

43:33 I didn't get to get into the glow a lot, but i'm like you you you have a lot of work here because someone has to digest Well, I got that it is uh, it is amazing That you've been able to just write all of this in a short amount of time I know it's that's not all that I wrote in that time. I mean, oh my goodness. I just haven't published it I feel like you got like 10 albums or something all at one time. I did. No joke. No joke. And get this, I designed all of my book covers. Oh, wow. That's fantastic. Russian Roulette. That is really spot on. If you look inside. Well, I think I put Martina Hunt in that one. But in my other books, my pen name is Bibi Hunt. That's my nickname that my dad. Yeah, that's how I wrote down the note.

44:26 I forgot all about that. So you be pinning yourself as Bibi now. Bibi E. Hunt is my pen name for my creative works, like for art and things like that, covers, digital graphics, any of those things, I'll use Bibi E. Hunt. And for writing, it's Tina Marie. I'm pulling in my inner child when I draw and when I build things like that, because I have a huge imagination. I'm calling her and I'm like, girl, let's do it. I've talked to other authors who go on to pin or assume names because of the type of material that they write.

45:09 Oh, I did want to ask you about, OK, so I forgot about this. I like the business side of this as well. You're self publishing or what is Greenhouse? Greenhouse is Soul House. It's me. So you're your own self -publisher I am how do you like doing it or are you going to expand it because I know a girl I'm one of Robin's who runs a publishing entity oh I mean it was just I learned how to self -publish it and I was like I'm not gonna do this so That's exactly what I did Amazon has a platform called KDP where you can upload your writing and it launches straight to Amazon worldwide.

46:00 And then Eagram Spark also has the same abilities where you just pay the $49 registration fee for each. I think, I don't know if it's for each one or not, but then that's how your books get to stores like Walmart, Barnes and Nobles, Books of Millions, Target, they distribute your books all over the world. So I'm working on Eagram Spark right now because I got to upload everything. I've just been lazy with uploading it, but once I do, then my books will be in stores. This question, have you, I don't know when you'll be on Facebook and stuff, but Have you seen that there's like a new competitor? Because I saw this one video where they say like, you know, some of the distribution platforms take out too much of money from the authors and this particular platform. I'm sure since I've talked about it, my phone will be listening and then I'll see it on Facebook again.

46:56 But yeah, I got to find it. But as soon as I find it, I was sent it to you. Apparently, this particular platform doesn't take as much and you get more of the lion's share of your work. And it's still like print on demand type as well. I like that. Jess, please share. Yeah, I might have to find it because I've seen, I might have even say it as a bookmark or something like that. But I'll have to go through and look for it and see if I can find it. But that's the thing, too. being an author is one thing, but then also self -publishing, that's another business model. So do you think you'll ever get disappointed when you publish other people up under your business?

47:37 I would love to. Okay. And I don't even think about it that way. My cousin is trying to publish a book right now, and I could possibly ask her, girl, do you want me to publish that on The Soul House? See, that's the thing though, because like I said, getting, writing the book is one thing. Publishing it and putting it in to where people can find it and then being able to promote it. That's a whole nother business model. I mean, you're talking about distribution and sales with that and logistics. Wow. A lot of people, again, like we were saying earlier in the conversation, they're good at being a creator. They're good at the execution. So some people need help with that. And I think we need more black publishing entities. Like Charlemagne, he has a publishing entity. where he started getting into the publishing game. I don't know if people know it, but first of all, that dude's a media mogul. People don't even realize how many tentacles he has his fingers in all these different businesses. But he has a publishing entity as well. And I think once he did his first best seller or his second one, he started a publishing entity. And that's how he's able to help people get book deals and stuff like that. And then also getting published, just like how The Black Effect. you know this is podcast platform partnered with iHeart media but he controls it and that's how you know all those black podcasts are being put out there and you know people are learning about them through the major platforms

49:08 through the you know i'm saying that network so i'm like something you can consider that sounds like a good setup i'm gonna look into that um for sure because that could be a huge umbrella Because I have two names for my publishing house. I have glow house press and then I have so works press Then they're under the same umbrella But it depends on what type of book you're writing is to where the book will go under what it will go under I would love that Yeah, so then that also, you know another former street revenue inflation. I'm saying makes it bigger and Like I said, you've done it. So There's some people who just can't even get through the process And again, there's a lot of people who just like recording art, they just want to record. They don't want to have to market and promote and distribute and all that stuff. Yeah. There's a lot of authors who don't want to have to be their own publisher. I agree. Because it can get condescending. Not condescending, but it can be a lot of work. Especially when the formatting tools act up on you. You have to understand the dimensions. things that go into that. You got to know where to put your IBS in. Some people were like, what is that? And where does it go?

50:27 But your book is not getting uploaded without ISBN. Exactly. So you have to know all of those things. I mean, and there are softwares out there that will help you put it together. Absolutely. But they have one person to be able to handle that all though. And someone you can actually talk to that's a human being. and who understands and can put in the terms that you understand. Exactly. That's valuable. That beats everything. Exactly. So let everybody know where they can go and find your books. And then also, you know, you want them following on social media and all that stuff. OK. So to follow me on social media, I'm sorry, my ad is Tina Marie. for my publishing works you can find me on amazon for right now and apple books and of course you have rush and roulette you have go glow and you have an apple to the black man and be on the lookout for a depth of the ego a soft funeral to the girl i used to be be on the lookout for that real soon yes what's up thank you miss tina marie body books off of amazon support support support support and if you are an author out there and you need someone to help you with this you now look at see look at it um you know you got somebody here you have a contact who will be able to walk you

51:59 through the process and as always y 'all keep following the platform and i'm your host andreas