No Discounts: Red Snapper Photography on Energy, Worth, & Booking 2027 | Bankedoutt Radio Show

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Hi, y 'all are tuning in for another episode

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of Bankedoutt Radio Show, Music and Business Talk. We

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have our special guest coming through via Zoom.

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Third time on the show, we have red snapper photography.

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Ms. Patricia, you know, representing the making

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of the Georgia area, but she'd be all up and

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down the road. I'm like, sitting there looking

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at your, uh, your Facebook, being making, being

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Atlanta, you'd be all over the place. I think

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you did some. Were you in Albany not too long

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ago? Yep, I was in Albany, Damascus, Georgia.

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I was in Damascus, Georgia with the 69 boys,

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the legendary 69 boys. Exactly. So from the previous

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interview to this one. One is I did actually

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have a falling out with a promoter down here.

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What has changed for you? Where are you in your

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current career? In my current career, I am currently

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booked and super busy. Between traveling with

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the 69 boys, trail ride community, Southern Soul,

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Atlanta ATL, I'm most definitely in. I am the

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CEO of the Hot Top Radio Making division as well.

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So between all of those four categories and just

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doing my local promoting around making Georgia,

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Middle Georgia, I am booked. Very, very busy.

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True authority in business is not measured by

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your social media likes or views. It is measured

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by the physical room capacity and real world

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assessment movement. When I wanted to prove my

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brand equity for my platform, I used my 5 ,000

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square foot proof of concept space and packed

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it to the maximum capacity organically. In chapter

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eight, I break down the exact framework to pull

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your digital crowd into a physical or high value

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space. Tap the link below to stop chasing digital

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validation and start building real authority.

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I was asking about like, you know, your 2026,

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2027 goals and that, you know, how you was going

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to expand your business. One of the things that

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you were talking about is like, you know, bringing

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other people up on your tool edge and being up

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on the brand. Have you been able to start that

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process yet? I might have. So I have started

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with my daughters. I've been bringing them in

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to help show them how to work the camera a little

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bit. And I do have a few people that is actually

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booking me for classes. So I have actually been

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venturing out as well outside of being booked

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and busy and starting to show people how to work

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the camera, different angles, just a lot of different

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things that you want to know how to help, you

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know, work a camera. A lot of people just trying

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to refreshing up because they did photography

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previously. So yeah, I've been most definitely

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stepping in and taking a few classes as well.

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Well, you know, we're always supposed to like

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upgrade, you know, I've even upgraded the podcast

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to where now I have this registration link when

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people fill it out and they get their own page.

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So I'm going to send it over to you so you can

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put down that information in and then also upload

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a photo for it too. Because, you know, I'll use

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the photo for the thumbnail. I know, right? Yeah.

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Yeah, that would be so great. So what do you

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think has been your biggest challenge thus far

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this year? I remember, you know, missing eight

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and things out of nature. Like you said, you're

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being booked and busy. So what's been your biggest

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challenges? It also comes with its hassles of

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just, you know, you know, trying to make sure

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I can get to everything on time. You know, just

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being in the right mental head space because

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being around a lot of people with a lot of different

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energies, your head space will sometimes crash.

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A lot of times crash. So it's just understanding,

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you know, me is about. I didn't really value

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my work as a photographer because I literally

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was so focused on the hate that I was receiving

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that I lost focus of how great I am with the

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camera. And so for 2026, that has been a challenge,

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you know, just trying to make sure I stay out

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my head and understand how supported and loved

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I am. That's been my hardest challenge. So what

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is your inner circle look like then? Because

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I tell entrepreneurs all the time. especially

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the new term solopreneurs, right? When you look

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at the stats, 29 million businesses in the United

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States, as far as small businesses, where they

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only have one person running it. Most of the

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time, that one person is not even really an employee

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of their own business, they're just the owner.

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Your business success depends on the type of

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people that you keep around you that's in your

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inner circle, but sometimes I think we do comfort

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settings where Okay, we grew up with this person

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or you know, we vibe with this person But they're

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not necessarily the right person to keep around

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you to be in your ear about your business because

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they don't have the expertise You are totally

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correct. So last year when we did the interview

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I had like a circle of ten people Literally,

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that I was depending on for support, comfort,

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you know, pouring to me, praying to me, you know,

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share my work. And then that circle is now a

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circle of three. So I started getting off the

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people that I know was not for me. fake supporting

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me and like act like they really loved me but

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they was really behind my back talking very very

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dirty about me and so i just started just sniffing

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i just started cutting my cord down and i was

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about this small yeah which is which is what

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you're supposed to do yes how did they how did

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they get back to you because you know you can

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get caught up in just busy busy busy work or

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whatever how did you know that people are talking

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behind you your back and don't have your best

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interests at heart It just so happened the people

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that support me and love me the first thing that

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come up to me and say Well, I don't care what

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they say about you snapper you mean that you

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great like I don't care what nobody says about

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you That's what that's how I always end up knowing

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What people is talking about me and then energy

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never lies when I do a bit with these same certain

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people their energy just tells That you have

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been running your mouth about me and trying to

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drag my business just to up your business Mm

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-hmm. And so now I know that now I'm not gonna

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be a kiki kaka in your face I'm gonna move around

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out your face because I don't have to just get

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unprofessional in a professional setting because

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I do know what people have said about me What's

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been consistent as far as people been saying

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about you what what is it that they're Like not

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liking about you. What do you feel this on your

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hand? They're not liking the fact that Okay,

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I don't have to I get people that they're been

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wanting to work with just automatically book

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me Okay book me they see my smile They see my

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drive my passion my consistency And it just so

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happened when they see that and they're they

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may be consistent as other business owners But

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they're not consistent as I am so when people

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start booking me clients start booking me the

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first thing they say is Well, I went to go with

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such a such and they say don't book you don't

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don't do that because your quality is not this

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your qualities not that and I'm like Wow, you

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know and I'd be really shocked like I Supported

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this person, but this person is don't get me

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behind to other clients. They want to book me

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You know people love to just run their mouths

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all through the city and to my potential clients

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because they want me They want my potential clients

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to go who they want them to go with because they

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hate me real But I just overlook it. They still

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book me. They're like, we love your energy. We

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love your angles or shots and guess what? We're

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gonna keep going we're gonna keep booking you

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and keep you know being with you because Despite

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all adversity you keep snapping that camera.

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Yeah I love it. Do you think because you're a

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transplant and making right? Yes. And you're

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from Colorado. Yes. And you see making Middle

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Georgia differently than everybody else, just

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like myself, you know. And when I was down there,

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you know. Do you think the people who are native

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of the city? get caught up in the fact they're

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from the city, but they're complacent. And when

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someone from not the city, but then, you know,

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transplant in a city and just sees it differently

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and sees it for the resources that it has and

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the opportunities that it can provide for you.

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And like you said, a go getter. Do you think

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that resonates with them? Yes, I really do. I

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really do that. I do really see that because

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I'm not originally from here. So I do see a lot

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of people that's from here, very complacent because

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they're from here. And so, you know, they look

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at me like, who are you to come through our city

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and make a name for yourself? The person that

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God birthed me to be. Yeah. I don't have a definite

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answer. He birthed his greatness. So I'm going

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to step on y 'all next, even if it's in the city

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that you were born and raised in. It's like they

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can go to Colorado and they can step on my neck

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in my city, my own town. You know? I think there's

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just too many people there where they like to

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be the big fish in a small pond type of mentality.

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Because I saw the entire time I'm there, I'm

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like 20 years or whatever being in the area.

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And that's all I saw. And as I grew my platform,

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kept elevating, of course, you know, people start

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theirs and you know people are gonna do what

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they're gonna do your inspiration is gonna be

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what it is um now you know when people try to

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like directly the most dangerous thing an entrepreneur

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can say is that's not my job when my partnership

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ended and my facebook live strategy backfired

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i was backed into a corner if i wanted to banked

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our brand to survive i had to do one thing i

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definitely did not want to do buy my own camera

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and learn how to edit videos myself. I didn't

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want to learn the software. I didn't want to

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spend hours figuring out lighting, frame rates,

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and audio syncing. I was a business major and

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a strategist. I wanted to focus on the marketing

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and the interviews, but the market didn't care

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what I wanted. The brand was bleeding and necessity

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forced my hand. I bought the gear, sat down in

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front of the screen, and taught myself the technical

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mechanics of post -production. You can learn

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more about my journey on how I built the banked

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out brand into the media empire it is today.

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With my latest drop, I can do bad all by myself,

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the lean guy to your first sales. Let's say copy

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what you do and then try to act like they're

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better than you. That's where I draw the line

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at. That's where I draw the line at it That's

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what makes me step up for my business because

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I have a lot of people that copy And go out and

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try to do exactly what I do they I found people

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talking like me Going out trying to get the shots

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like me. Just trying to have my energy, but you

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can't duplicate raw energy yeah i think uh when

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you know people do stuff like that they actually

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mess up the industry overall yes and it makes

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it hard for the real ones that's all trying to

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that's really genuine it makes it hard for us

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it makes us have to fight harder as a photographer

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it makes me have to fight harder as a photographer

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slash videographer because it's so many people

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i hit duplicating what i know i was the first

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one starting like the off guard shots like i'm

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the queen of the off guard shots Now everybody

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actually wants to do out guard shots And look

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on my page and get it from my page or watch me

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or study me and see how I was taking my shot

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It'd be it'd be real disrespectful And these

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photography strings you be trying to figure out

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Wow, so that's why I've been kind of laying low

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and saying not the way But I just, I've been

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learning not to mention my moves so much because

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people really go back other photographers and

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videographers go behind my back and try to take

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my gigs and take my money. That'd be wild. I

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definitely get it. I've had that done to me.

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Yeah. People approaching clients and stuff like

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that because they're not able to do it themselves.

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And then when you look at the quality of work,

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it's not the same. That's the same thing. I'll

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be like, I'm like, okay, I don't want to say

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too much, but You went behind my back and you

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took my client from me and you didn't do a better

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job than me. Wow, you might as well have killed

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my client with me. Yeah, but they're also, I

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look at it twofold, I think that the clients

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who, if you already have an established relationship

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with someone, right, and you're working well,

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why would you change? Especially if, you know

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what I'm saying, it's not about pricing. And

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just, let's say if they're undercutting you and

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they might do a 50 % off, 25 % off, whatever

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the case might be. As consumers and businesses

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that are consumers, you have to understand that

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when you just value price over the relationship,

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it's not going to come out the same because they're

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not motivated by the relationship. They're just

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working the transaction. That's exactly why I

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get booked because my prices are my prices, but

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they value my energy versus what you know They

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love my work, but my energy that I bring to the

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events You know how I come with a smile how I

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come with the energy to like I'm ready to do

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my rest everything when I'm a rest I promote

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ain't nobody distract me. You're not gonna distract

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me because I have an objective I have a goal

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to do and that is to be my best because this

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is my name. Yeah I saw where you posted about

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people respecting your price and stuff like that

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or not respecting your price and then still paying

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800, 1000 or whatever for other things. What

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made you want to post it? I understand the simplicity

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behind the actual post, but what made you actually

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want to post it? Because nine years doing this.

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Have watched and I have seen the same people

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that say I can't pay you what you're asking for

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I'll sit there and watch them cash that people

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thousand dollars and Wait the lowest under $100

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and I'm like so if you can pay somebody a thousand

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dollars why you can't pay me 500 If you can pay

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somebody 900 just to come to a video why you

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can't pay me my 350 Or why you can't give me

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gas money why you can't appreciate or send me

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something like Why do I got to get done dirty

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when I'm showing so much love and support? And

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if I people take advantage of that they take

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advantage of my time the hours I put in and then

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they get cocky Disrespectful and go online and

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get a group of people to slander me and then

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that's when I've had to cut clients out I had

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to tell myself I can't take you as a client no

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more because it's too messy and they get mad

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about that and they go drag me and people like

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people love I've never dealt with this before

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but this year people will go on my personal on

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my personal on my media page. They will see me

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post something and the first thing they'll do

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was you was at this last event here And you was

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there so she you she got to be you got to be

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talking about such as such People always pocket

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watching and trying to figure out where my next

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event is that? That even if I'm talking about

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something that happened with a potential with

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a previous client They will post that to a current

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client and make me in a current client class

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And that if that don't piss me off it pisses

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me off How do they have so much energy and time

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to be doing it? That's the same thing I said.

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How do y 'all have so much energy to click on

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my page and make a situation with clients and

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the situation between me and the client? Why

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are y 'all so messy like that? And it's like

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I can't catch a break from y 'all. So since I

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can't catch a break, how about I don't be showing

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up and posting as much as I used to because y

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'all disrespectful to my time and you most definitely

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disrespectful to my energy that I give. So do

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you think you've taken away that support that

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you give? Is there anybody there to do the same

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type of support or were you just the glue that

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held everything together? It's me, it's me being

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glued, but lately my best friends have been coming

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through and encouraging me that I'm doing the

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right thing because I'm the one that'll go back

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and give the support. And they're like, no, no,

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no. Remember what happened? Remember this? Remember

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how you felt? Remember how you was crying about

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how you're getting disrespected and how it felt

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because you trusted people and you trusted your

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clientele to give you what you deserve? Yeah,

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that really hurt really, really bad. Like it

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really hurt really bad. I was in here crashing

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out. Because it's like why take advantage of

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me and I'm not taking advantage of you. Yeah

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Now now I have to get strict and pull my support

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back because one thing that's the legendary 69

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boys Have texted me is you are worth every dime

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you ask for Yeah, it was give me that constructive

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criticism and let me know what I need to do,

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right? But they were like we sticking with you

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We love red snapper and just to have them do

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business professionally Book me get me to Jacksonville,

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Florida pay for everything. I'm like, what am

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I doing here? Why? I'm supposed to get treated.

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I'm not supposed to get treated any less than

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what they're showing they've been around the

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world They date around it's a many photographers

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and videographers And here they go trusting me

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with their events. Yeah, that was just like,

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you know, that was a real wake up call. I had

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to bump my head a few times and like, hey, what

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you doing now? Wake up, baby girl. You you are

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worth what you are asking for. Stop minimizing

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and invalidating your prices because people want

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to play broke with you. They want to play brokey

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with me, but they play rich with everybody else.

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Yeah, we're not doing. Yeah, I definitely get

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there. No, I understand, because we all have

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to go to that. process that we see the values

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in ourselves and this confidence building and

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it's also taking experiences like you said working

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with 69 boys and you know people have already

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established themselves and had these long careers

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and they see the value in what you do and then

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it reiterates to you and builds your confidence

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up so you can move forward and do what you need

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to do. I think a lot of solopreneurs get stuck

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in that space and without situations like that

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happening and they'll stay there and they'll

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just plateau or they'll quit. But you can charge

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whatever you want to charge, whatever you feel

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like your value is, and you just find a customer

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that is willing to pay that. I've actually had

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a few people, not people out of time, I love

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saying the word no. Word is the word. Yeah, exactly.

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It is one of the best words in the English language.

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It translates across multiple languages. But

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yeah, I tell people a lot of no's all the time.

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And understand, you know, building new relationships,

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taking a, you know, a risk on certain things,

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because you can see something down the line of

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where it can benefit. But you can just tell.

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And like, I have this sixth sense that I've had

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for a while now. I actually had a person hit

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me up and wanted to do an interview. And I told

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him, I'm like, look, I do free interviews with

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people that I have relationships with. Outside

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of that, this is paid media. And that's what

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it is with a lot of stuff. I'm like, and that's

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why I'm actually doing videos on this, like the

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four different, you know, scopes of media, paid,

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earned, owned, and shared. And I'm like, I think

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it's very interesting, especially having a platform,

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knowing that when I put out content, people watch

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it in all different matters, multiple channels,

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not only video, but also audio, Apple, Spotify,

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all that and whatever, right? And people just

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thinking and taking stuff for granted. I had

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this conversation with somebody the other day.

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I was like, look, I have six different software

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fees I have to pay a month just to run a platform.

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I have a camera fee with Canon that I have to

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pay just to be able to like this being hooked

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up to my camera to have this data cord, but also

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the software comes out every month. Religion.

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Yes, them fees don't play. You got Zoom. I'm

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on Zoom right now with you. Yeah, that's a fee

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right there as well. Exactly. We're not on a

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pre -play. We're not on a pre -play. This could

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go as long as whatever. That's what I'm trying

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to tell people. I'm like, uh. I got distribution

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fees that I have to pay for putting on. The fees,

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like camera, lenses, SD cards, all that stuff.

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Just, woo -hoo! Yeah, it adds up and I think

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it's very interesting how people try to discount

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people in the space because it reminds me of,

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I don't know if you've been seen where, what

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is it, the streamer DDG and a few others have

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been discounting quote unquote cameraman or whatever.

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First of all, I don't like that term because

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I tell people all the time, like I showed up

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at a few events that I did the last couple of

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weeks where I went to different events in Jonesboro,

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Riverdale. or Maro, and I'm filming. People,

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when they see a camera, they just automatically

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think camera person or whatever. So to me, it's

00:22:20.990 --> 00:22:22.369
like discounting what I do. I was like, no, I'm

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actually a media producer. And I tell you, I

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shot a whole reality show that I got that I'm

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still, it's actually being shopped to networks

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and whatever. Now, that's her footage and stuff

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like that. I always worked for her, but I helped

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produce it. So of course they get my credit and

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sell with it. So I'll use it as an example for

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others. So I got some meetings for next week

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setting up to where I'm talking to people about

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doing the same thing for their business. But

00:22:48.980 --> 00:22:51.079
it's very interesting how people like to reduce

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what you're doing or like, no, I know how to

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not only shoot, edit, come up with the story

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arc or the concepts, put it out, what looks good

00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.339
versus what doesn't. how to keep the audience

00:23:07.339 --> 00:23:10.480
engaged and all that. And I know another further

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step. I know how to market it and push it to

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make money off of it. Now, that's extra because

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that's a whole different job. That's extra, you

00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:23.700
know. But so you can't just reduce me to a cameraman.

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I don't like the term cameraman. I'm just like,

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just just don't put man at the end of it because

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it's. And out here, it's well, so. Well, you

00:23:36.380 --> 00:23:39.000
know, it's just not a man that can hold a camera.

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It's women that hold a camera just as well. Well,

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even not even just the term of like, you know,

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even with that, right. So don't reduce someone

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to camera man or camera woman. I would tell people

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like, what do they do? Well, they're a media

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producer, you know, because you're I'm like,

00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.480
you're in the scope of photography and videography

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and you're putting story arts together and stuff

00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:02.849
like that. I know a lot of people who know how

00:24:02.849 --> 00:24:05.210
to shoot, but they're just B -roll, I mean, B

00:24:05.210 --> 00:24:07.930
-roll. And that's how they could do. So like

00:24:07.930 --> 00:24:10.250
when I like tell people like all these different

00:24:10.250 --> 00:24:13.369
pop ups and stuff. Right. And do I tell them

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I need to hire people to come in and actually

00:24:15.390 --> 00:24:17.750
have media, they have media platforms, not ones

00:24:17.750 --> 00:24:20.309
that just started something, but one that has

00:24:20.309 --> 00:24:22.130
established because I know they can go in and

00:24:22.130 --> 00:24:24.430
they know how to ask the questions to the particular

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people and get the response. They know who all

00:24:27.569 --> 00:24:31.390
they need to ask. and is asking different questions

00:24:31.390 --> 00:24:36.130
from a host versus a vendor versus someone who

00:24:36.130 --> 00:24:38.710
went there as a participant. Those are different

00:24:38.710 --> 00:24:40.569
styles of questions you have to ask. It's not

00:24:40.569 --> 00:24:44.009
the same thing. And then putting that all together.

00:24:44.589 --> 00:24:46.569
So like when I did this one particular video

00:24:46.569 --> 00:24:51.130
for a councilwoman, when I sent it to her, she

00:24:51.130 --> 00:24:53.130
was like, oh my God, I love this. You captured

00:24:53.130 --> 00:24:59.730
everything that I wanted. I love the shot. I'm

00:24:59.730 --> 00:25:03.910
like, yeah, because I mean, yeah, it's it's it's

00:25:03.910 --> 00:25:09.009
crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So just, you know, disturbing

00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:11.390
when people like try to reduce people to titles

00:25:11.390 --> 00:25:15.910
and stuff. Reduce people. And then not to speak

00:25:15.910 --> 00:25:19.269
of a network. And then the value try to like,

00:25:19.269 --> 00:25:20.750
you know, put limited value, whatever, because

00:25:20.750 --> 00:25:22.789
the whole thing with the DGG was like this business,

00:25:22.990 --> 00:25:25.150
whole Internet fuss about like how much you pay

00:25:25.150 --> 00:25:27.369
camera people and stuff. And then like you said

00:25:27.369 --> 00:25:30.099
earlier, how the six now boys cover your expenses

00:25:30.099 --> 00:25:32.900
to travel. That's that's they're supposed to

00:25:32.900 --> 00:25:37.920
do it. And like so with the DGG guy who's a streaming,

00:25:37.940 --> 00:25:41.019
he was like, well, I pay for all this and whatever

00:25:41.019 --> 00:25:42.839
it pays for them to go to nice hotels and stuff.

00:25:42.940 --> 00:25:44.960
You're like, OK, first of all, you're supposed

00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.680
to do that because you are the business. You

00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.240
are the product without that person providing

00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.299
you the service. You don't have streaming. You

00:25:52.299 --> 00:25:55.359
can't walk around and stream yourself. Exactly.

00:25:55.819 --> 00:25:59.569
So. Trying to get people to, you know, understand

00:25:59.569 --> 00:26:02.369
it. When you have a business, there are certain

00:26:02.369 --> 00:26:04.849
costs and operations of a business that you have

00:26:04.849 --> 00:26:06.849
to maintain in order to produce whatever service

00:26:06.849 --> 00:26:08.730
or product that you're trying to put out there.

00:26:09.730 --> 00:26:12.369
And the way that they're trying to shape narratives,

00:26:13.210 --> 00:26:27.250
I just don't get it. like people have all these

00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:28.769
different narratives and they think that just

00:26:28.769 --> 00:26:30.430
because they're paying for this and that whatever

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i'm like but you're supposed to because that's

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what it takes to get the job done i'm like it's

00:26:36.690 --> 00:26:39.930
just it's like you know if i have a dip you know

00:26:39.930 --> 00:26:44.329
i'm saying wherever and like i had a uh dj one

00:26:44.329 --> 00:26:46.890
time that i hired that was in uh about all stuff

00:26:46.890 --> 00:26:51.809
when i had a bit in making her fee included her

00:26:51.809 --> 00:26:56.369
travel Mm -hmm. It wasn't just in place. Exactly.

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So I'm like, and I knew that. So I paid it. I

00:27:00.190 --> 00:27:02.529
think it was like $500 or whatever to come and

00:27:02.529 --> 00:27:04.150
do a set. And she was over there for like three

00:27:04.150 --> 00:27:09.369
hours. Hmm. So like. That's why I love the ones

00:27:09.369 --> 00:27:12.029
that see your worth and pouring to you because

00:27:12.029 --> 00:27:14.349
trying to go out here and fight through the rubble.

00:27:14.630 --> 00:27:18.950
Mm -hmm. See your worth. Emotionally draining

00:27:18.950 --> 00:27:20.750
than anything. So I just like, I'm not even going

00:27:20.750 --> 00:27:22.869
to fight that battle no more. Somebody's going

00:27:22.869 --> 00:27:25.289
to see me, they're going to book me, and then

00:27:25.289 --> 00:27:27.150
y 'all are going to be looking crazy, period.

00:27:28.609 --> 00:27:30.950
So with your bookings lately, how far have you

00:27:30.950 --> 00:27:34.170
been? You've been traveling out the state. Well,

00:27:34.230 --> 00:27:35.569
you went to Jacksonville, so that's Florida.

00:27:36.369 --> 00:27:39.490
Where else have you been traveling? It's maybe

00:27:39.490 --> 00:27:41.309
been a whole lot around here, around the making

00:27:41.309 --> 00:27:43.509
of the Georgia area, but I most definitely go

00:27:43.509 --> 00:27:47.970
to Atlanta a lot. So I'm in Atlanta a lot. Florida,

00:27:48.490 --> 00:27:50.430
Damascus, Georgia was my first time being there.

00:27:51.069 --> 00:27:54.130
So yeah, like I am starting to get my travel

00:27:54.130 --> 00:27:56.250
fees because people are trying to fly me to Africa

00:27:56.250 --> 00:27:59.769
now. That's what's up. So I was like, wow, I

00:27:59.769 --> 00:28:01.549
got like, they're like, how much are you charged

00:28:01.549 --> 00:28:05.730
to come to Africa? I'm like, wow. Let's let me

00:28:05.730 --> 00:28:07.630
go back and go back to the table and then let

00:28:07.630 --> 00:28:10.410
me put all my fees down travel calls and then

00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:14.210
yeah And I actually have a wedding coming up

00:28:14.210 --> 00:28:16.089
in February in Panama City Beach, Florida. So

00:28:16.089 --> 00:28:20.170
I'm going back to Florida This is already my

00:28:20.170 --> 00:28:25.869
2027 calendar. I have already 10 bookings That's

00:28:25.869 --> 00:28:27.829
what's up that means is she doing everything?

00:28:33.029 --> 00:28:35.710
Well, I tell people all the time, I love my haters.

00:28:36.569 --> 00:28:38.089
The reason I love my haters is because. They

00:28:38.089 --> 00:28:40.809
are awesome. Yeah, because they'll push you quicker

00:28:40.809 --> 00:28:43.009
than everybody else or whatever. Trying to put

00:28:43.009 --> 00:28:45.630
all that energy into hating on you. But what

00:28:45.630 --> 00:28:47.049
they're doing is they're really putting you out

00:28:47.049 --> 00:28:50.349
there even more to folks. And then, you know,

00:28:50.349 --> 00:28:53.170
they don't understand everything that you're

00:28:53.170 --> 00:28:54.869
doing and what you bring to the table. They're

00:28:54.869 --> 00:28:57.390
just, again, a lot of people just get envious

00:28:57.390 --> 00:28:59.849
and jealous because you're out there making moves.

00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.980
You're living your dream every single day and

00:29:03.980 --> 00:29:08.880
they have no idea of... Well, I wouldn't say

00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.539
they wouldn't have no idea. I would say that

00:29:10.539 --> 00:29:12.660
they're just lazy. I think a lot of people are

00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:14.819
lazy. They don't want to get their dreams accomplished

00:29:14.819 --> 00:29:17.960
because when you go and chase your dreams...

00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:19.660
Somebody else accomplish their dreams and they

00:29:19.660 --> 00:29:22.079
figure they need to crap on theirs to up theirs.

00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:29.779
And I'm like, that method never works. I hate

00:29:29.779 --> 00:29:31.779
somebody else because you couldn't get whatever

00:29:31.779 --> 00:29:36.720
you was trying to do accomplished. It never works

00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.019
like that. It's so hard. They make it hard to

00:29:39.019 --> 00:29:41.519
collab. It's like I'm willing to collab. I just

00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.380
went to Atlanta on Thursday and did Dundat Records,

00:29:44.539 --> 00:29:48.160
Doug's All White Party at Club B. And four of

00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.619
the videographers didn't already want to collab

00:29:50.619 --> 00:29:53.140
with me. Yeah. I'm like, so why can't business

00:29:53.140 --> 00:29:56.170
be like this everywhere? Like, how everybody

00:29:56.170 --> 00:29:57.829
want to collab with me and they're sharing my

00:29:57.829 --> 00:29:59.369
work, I'm sharing theirs, and they're like, we

00:29:59.369 --> 00:30:01.970
can't wait to come back to the A so we can collab

00:30:01.970 --> 00:30:04.410
and get on with you because, you know, you out

00:30:04.410 --> 00:30:06.829
here poppin'. I'm like, okay, well, thank you.

00:30:07.309 --> 00:30:10.670
Well, you know, again, I've been trying to tell

00:30:10.670 --> 00:30:14.470
people lately, it's the mentality and it's your

00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:19.410
mindset of being a business owner and really,

00:30:19.529 --> 00:30:23.089
like, one, getting proper mentorship. I think

00:30:23.089 --> 00:30:24.609
a lot of people out here, they just do stuff

00:30:24.609 --> 00:30:26.309
on a whim and they'll get proper mentorship.

00:30:27.130 --> 00:30:29.809
Yeah. So they have these grandiose things that

00:30:29.809 --> 00:30:31.410
they want to do, but they don't understand what

00:30:31.410 --> 00:30:33.190
it takes to really get to that. There's nothing

00:30:33.190 --> 00:30:36.009
wrong with having what they call the big hairy

00:30:36.009 --> 00:30:38.569
audacious goals, right? There's nothing wrong

00:30:38.569 --> 00:30:42.210
with that. But you have to properly set yourself

00:30:42.210 --> 00:30:46.049
up strategically to get to that goal. And what

00:30:46.049 --> 00:30:49.730
that requires is discipline. It does. It does.

00:30:49.730 --> 00:30:52.450
Nothing comes overnight. There's no overnight

00:30:52.450 --> 00:30:54.670
success. I don't care what they say. They lying

00:30:54.670 --> 00:30:59.509
if they say it's happening. It's not set up for

00:30:59.509 --> 00:31:02.390
success and the foundation isn't right. If they

00:31:02.390 --> 00:31:07.349
do like, you know, accrue like quote unquote

00:31:07.349 --> 00:31:10.150
overnight success, it won't last. But like we

00:31:10.150 --> 00:31:11.930
say it all the time with like people go viral

00:31:11.930 --> 00:31:14.750
or whatever and then they have no plan. So then

00:31:14.750 --> 00:31:17.329
they go viral. I call it short -term success.

00:31:17.529 --> 00:31:20.789
Yeah, exactly. That's all it is for a short term.

00:31:20.829 --> 00:31:24.029
And a lot of people just really short term investors.

00:31:24.069 --> 00:31:27.309
So you can't do long term with them. Yeah, it

00:31:27.309 --> 00:31:30.069
does not work. Mindset. So I can't deal with

00:31:30.069 --> 00:31:33.549
you. You got a short term mindset. Exactly. Not

00:31:33.549 --> 00:31:36.869
a mindset to create generational wealth. Exactly.

00:31:37.410 --> 00:31:39.109
Yeah, I can't. I can't. I can't hang with that.

00:31:39.109 --> 00:31:41.950
That's why I disappear. No, not as you should.

00:31:42.029 --> 00:31:43.650
And, you know, I tell people you have to just

00:31:43.650 --> 00:31:45.750
do business with people who have the same type

00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:48.640
of mindset that you do. Exactly. And I'm so glad

00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.140
that this year I found a circle of people that

00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:55.099
love me and is willing to pour into me and do

00:31:55.099 --> 00:31:57.920
business with me. And they don't, they say we

00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.240
are not going to, we're not going to argue about

00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.119
your price. What is it? Cash app deposit fee.

00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.660
See you soon. I love that. Don't make it hard

00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:09.259
on me. I don't have to go big change because

00:32:09.259 --> 00:32:11.160
then I don't got to do none of that. So I'm like,

00:32:11.180 --> 00:32:14.079
let me move away from the one that makes me act

00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.490
unprofessional. and let me just start getting

00:32:16.490 --> 00:32:21.210
the clientele that's professional. Yeah. Because

00:32:21.210 --> 00:32:25.150
it makes everything easier. And like you said,

00:32:25.410 --> 00:32:29.349
you know, I tell people like with business, people

00:32:29.349 --> 00:32:30.509
just think about business, but they don't think

00:32:30.509 --> 00:32:33.230
about mental clarity and mental clarity is a

00:32:33.230 --> 00:32:36.890
lot. So when you're able to have that clarity,

00:32:37.650 --> 00:32:42.490
you're able to even creatively do more. because

00:32:42.490 --> 00:32:44.730
now you're not worried about, you know, this

00:32:44.730 --> 00:32:46.029
and that or whatever, and you're dealing with

00:32:46.029 --> 00:32:50.789
the right folks. And I tell people... And not

00:32:50.789 --> 00:32:55.109
heard and yet, no. I love exactly where I...

00:32:55.109 --> 00:32:56.809
And it took nine years. That's why I tell everybody.

00:32:57.009 --> 00:32:58.349
It's not an overnight. It took me nine years

00:32:58.349 --> 00:33:00.369
to get to this point. It'll be 10 years next

00:33:00.369 --> 00:33:02.450
year. So that'd be a decade that I've been taking

00:33:02.450 --> 00:33:04.210
pictures right here in making Middle Georgia

00:33:04.210 --> 00:33:06.250
area. And I'm just getting recognized from people

00:33:06.250 --> 00:33:09.700
outside of making Middle Georgia area. But that's

00:33:09.700 --> 00:33:12.039
what it really does. It really does take that

00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.839
long. Yeah. And then, you know, like I'm building,

00:33:16.059 --> 00:33:18.599
I'm expanding up here in Atlanta area. I've been

00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.539
networking and stuff like that. I can't wait

00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:26.019
to I reached that same pinnacle of like how I

00:33:26.019 --> 00:33:29.299
had it in Macon, in the middle Georgia area,

00:33:29.299 --> 00:33:31.519
because it's going to like open up even more.

00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.519
And I keep getting, you know, different people

00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:36.700
hitting me up. Like I just put out a new e -book

00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:41.039
and I've already had some sales on that. So yeah,

00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.599
these people don't even know me from a can of

00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.880
paint. That's how I feel when I go to land. I'm

00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:48.380
like, they don't know me from a can of paint,

00:33:48.380 --> 00:33:53.660
but they like, what's your name? I think I need

00:33:53.660 --> 00:33:56.559
to move closer to the a now because you do. I

00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:01.700
really do get close to the AM 2027 because there's

00:34:01.700 --> 00:34:03.119
a couple other people that I know that actually

00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.119
started making their way from the Middle George

00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:09.199
making area and they're up here now. So You know,

00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.519
like anything, there's a lot of other people,

00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.960
but when you go through the experiences, you

00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:17.539
know how to lead people out now. You know how

00:34:17.539 --> 00:34:19.579
to like, you see the red flags right then and

00:34:19.579 --> 00:34:24.119
there. You just avoid them. That's all you do.

00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.619
Exactly, and that's what I do. As soon as I see

00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:30.440
the red flags, I move on to somebody else, because

00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.760
there's so many different people here. There's

00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.599
so many people who actually want to pour into

00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.820
you. There were so many people who want to network

00:34:37.820 --> 00:34:42.219
with you. And like I said, I went to a chamber

00:34:42.219 --> 00:34:47.400
commerce, the Clayton County Chamber of Commerce

00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.920
meeting the other day and just meeting people,

00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:55.300
photographers, cleaning people, bookkeepers,

00:34:55.619 --> 00:34:57.800
all sorts of different people, DJs. I've been

00:34:57.800 --> 00:34:59.539
locked in with old men. Now we're setting up

00:34:59.539 --> 00:35:03.619
stuff. And you can tell they're so excited. Exactly.

00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.989
So it's just, you know. I love that for you.

00:35:07.309 --> 00:35:09.769
I appreciate that. It's just a matter of time.

00:35:09.929 --> 00:35:11.170
We're like just bumping into the right people

00:35:11.170 --> 00:35:13.949
and it's just a numbers game. Once you walk into

00:35:13.949 --> 00:35:16.530
that white room, all those classrooms open up

00:35:16.530 --> 00:35:20.909
for you. Exactly. I am loving everybody who pours

00:35:20.909 --> 00:35:24.090
into me. I love the smokestack market community.

00:35:24.190 --> 00:35:26.849
They love me over there, down here in Mead, Georgia.

00:35:27.250 --> 00:35:29.389
I don't care where I'm at in the world. I'm always

00:35:29.389 --> 00:35:30.869
going to try to get down here every Saturday

00:35:30.869 --> 00:35:33.739
to do the smokestack farmer's market. I just

00:35:33.739 --> 00:35:36.199
love the ones that's born to me because and I've

00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:40.760
just I just recently got into country rap. That

00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:43.679
is a thing now. I never heard of country rap

00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:48.059
until I did the event last week. So I'm like,

00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.219
OK. That's what they like. We love you. We love

00:35:52.219 --> 00:35:54.539
your energy. They never met me. They like can

00:35:54.539 --> 00:36:04.719
I take a picture with you? I'm like Yeah, you

00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:08.420
know, it's just people embracing him like me

00:36:08.420 --> 00:36:10.400
and you got the energy so people attracted to

00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.860
that and you know As long as you don't change

00:36:12.860 --> 00:36:15.039
yourself your core as a person or whatever you're

00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.860
fine Yeah, so now that you know that you which

00:36:17.860 --> 00:36:21.579
you can achieve in a class you can attract I'm

00:36:21.579 --> 00:36:23.860
sure you set up even newer goals that you want

00:36:23.860 --> 00:36:28.039
to hit for 2027. Oh, yes. What kind of goals

00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.500
are you trying to do in 2027 market? It's real.

00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.179
What the gold market most definitely is for me

00:36:32.179 --> 00:36:35.280
to have my own photography studio. Okay. So I

00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.900
was working on that two years ago, but that's

00:36:37.900 --> 00:36:41.199
the goal. And also to expand worldwide. I want

00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:42.860
to, you know, I don't want, I don't want to have

00:36:42.860 --> 00:36:45.139
just Georgia and Florida. I want to go back home

00:36:45.139 --> 00:36:47.079
to Colorado and get some clients. I want to go

00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.940
to California, Indiana, Pennsylvania. I want

00:36:49.940 --> 00:36:52.960
to go global and make sure everybody knows my

00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.119
name. Going to Africa is very, very super lit.

00:36:56.500 --> 00:36:59.400
So, you know, if I can go outside in the international

00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:05.469
content and they know my name. So my goal is

00:37:05.469 --> 00:37:08.929
to be a better photographer, work on my angles,

00:37:09.250 --> 00:37:11.289
work on, you know, what, you know, where I'm

00:37:11.289 --> 00:37:14.090
giving my energy to when it comes to my professionalism

00:37:14.090 --> 00:37:15.949
and understanding that everybody's not going

00:37:15.949 --> 00:37:18.550
to understand me and that's okay. But I do have

00:37:18.550 --> 00:37:20.869
a group of people that love me as well. Yeah.

00:37:20.869 --> 00:37:22.949
As long as you got your tribe, then you're fine.

00:37:23.070 --> 00:37:25.289
You're good to go. I got my tribe. I love my

00:37:25.289 --> 00:37:28.309
tribe. They love me. Exactly. So I'm like, you're

00:37:28.309 --> 00:37:30.909
on the path to, you know, ultimate success of,

00:37:30.909 --> 00:37:34.400
you know, achieving really big things. Um, cause

00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.940
now you see your, you see the vision for yourself

00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:41.280
and you see the tunnel and you see how to get

00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:42.820
there. It's like, you can see the light at the

00:37:42.820 --> 00:37:45.039
end of the tunnel. All you got to do is go through

00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.079
it. Just go through it. I'm like, okay, don't

00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:48.860
be scared to run through this, uh, this hurdle.

00:37:48.940 --> 00:37:50.139
Cause I've been scared a little bit because they

00:37:50.139 --> 00:37:52.940
was coming real heavy and I'm like, okay, okay,

00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:54.880
God, is this what you got for me? And he's like,

00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:56.619
yeah, just run through it. I'm just like, I'm

00:37:56.619 --> 00:37:59.119
about to run. Yeah, but that's the thing. That's

00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.119
all you have to do is take on adversity and that's,

00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.309
that's It's a part of the game. The more success

00:38:04.309 --> 00:38:06.130
you have, the more energy you put out there and

00:38:06.130 --> 00:38:08.429
you're good and you're attentional with what

00:38:08.429 --> 00:38:10.210
you're doing and you know that you're sticking

00:38:10.210 --> 00:38:14.230
to the core principles of who you are, then it

00:38:14.230 --> 00:38:16.929
will keep growing or whatever. But, you know,

00:38:17.210 --> 00:38:20.269
other people, they just don't want to, they scared

00:38:20.269 --> 00:38:22.309
or want to try to really achieve their dream.

00:38:23.309 --> 00:38:28.369
And that's okay. It does. And I was one of them

00:38:28.369 --> 00:38:30.530
people the first five years I was so scared because

00:38:30.530 --> 00:38:32.090
I'm like, let me just stick over here at the

00:38:32.090 --> 00:38:34.829
club. Let me stick at the bar. I was so scared

00:38:34.829 --> 00:38:37.369
to expand. And I'm like, what are you scared

00:38:37.369 --> 00:38:39.329
of when you know you're capable of doing it?

00:38:39.829 --> 00:38:41.909
And I'm like bumping. I'm going to throw the

00:38:41.909 --> 00:38:43.789
fear in the trash can, and I'm going to go ahead

00:38:43.789 --> 00:38:46.929
and just put the petals together. Exactly. No

00:38:46.929 --> 00:38:49.190
speed limit. No speed limit. We own it. Throw

00:38:49.190 --> 00:38:52.769
fear away. I love it. I love the fact that you're

00:38:52.769 --> 00:38:54.489
getting over that. That's why I tell a lot of

00:38:54.489 --> 00:38:57.670
new business owners, And I love talking to them

00:38:57.670 --> 00:38:59.150
and telling them, look, as soon as you get past

00:38:59.150 --> 00:39:01.949
your fear, everything is out there. I've had

00:39:01.949 --> 00:39:05.030
to overcome stuff. I've done a lot of things

00:39:05.030 --> 00:39:06.630
to where I didn't want to do and I expanded.

00:39:06.769 --> 00:39:09.329
I'm like, I won't be doing videography services

00:39:09.329 --> 00:39:12.309
now if it wasn't for the fact that when I did

00:39:12.309 --> 00:39:15.170
have the videographer I was working with, he

00:39:15.170 --> 00:39:16.849
wanted to move to Atlanta area when I was still

00:39:16.849 --> 00:39:19.130
in Macon or whatever. So, you know, he up and

00:39:19.130 --> 00:39:21.929
left, which is fine. I get that. But I had to

00:39:21.929 --> 00:39:24.860
expand and I had to learn. And now it's then

00:39:24.860 --> 00:39:27.039
grown into all this stuff to where I'm doing

00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:28.739
all this stuff and people are loving the work

00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:31.000
that I'm doing and I'm showing them what you

00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.699
can do. And now they want to get on board. Exactly.

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.320
Uh huh. Like now you want to get in. What do

00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:43.340
you mean? How can you get in? Well, you know,

00:39:43.460 --> 00:39:46.320
again, until we go out of time, you have to make

00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:49.420
relationships. And if you're not willing to support

00:39:49.420 --> 00:39:52.000
somebody and then you want to dog them and stuff

00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.960
like that. I'm like, they have the option to

00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.699
not do anything with you in the future. So it

00:39:58.699 --> 00:40:00.380
just is what it is. And I tell people, I'd rather

00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:03.039
go work with strangers than people I know. Thank

00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:04.800
you. Because people, you know, gonna burn you

00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.360
the first time that you get first time out the

00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.340
door. They gonna make you put the lighter to

00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:11.440
your behind and you sure gonna be on fire. They

00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.340
ain't gonna put you out. Exactly. So, you know,

00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.579
I'm not trying to give any more energy to people

00:40:17.579 --> 00:40:20.789
who don't see the value. They'll get it cool.

00:40:21.170 --> 00:40:22.690
And you know, sometimes it's just not a fit at

00:40:22.690 --> 00:40:25.849
the time, whatever the case may be. But I'm going

00:40:25.849 --> 00:40:27.869
to keep talking to more new people because I

00:40:27.869 --> 00:40:31.469
love meeting new people. It's not an issue for

00:40:31.469 --> 00:40:34.210
me. I used to be scared, but I'm like, well,

00:40:34.250 --> 00:40:38.329
hey, how are you doing? Well, hey, how are you?

00:40:38.389 --> 00:40:40.690
We love your energy. I'm like, OK, can we network?

00:40:41.170 --> 00:40:44.500
I literally just network with OG Hoodrich. And

00:40:44.500 --> 00:40:47.920
he's been in the game for 20 plus years. And

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.639
he took my picture the other day and he's like,

00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:51.719
I want to connect with you. I like how you doing

00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.880
your work. I didn't even know he was watching

00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:55.920
me through the club. I'm like, yeah, I took a

00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:57.780
whole picture of me and edited and everything.

00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.019
And I'm like, wow. It's so cool. Again, impact.

00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.260
Yes. You're having an impact now. So you got

00:41:05.260 --> 00:41:08.000
to keep moving forward there. Amplify it as much

00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:11.300
as you can. Keep on meeting new people. I remember

00:41:11.300 --> 00:41:12.800
the other thing we talked about. You said you

00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.320
wanted like eventually getting to your own podcast

00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.119
and stuff. Have you started working on that or

00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.380
what's the plans for that? We'll slow on that,

00:41:19.460 --> 00:41:24.199
but we don't. Well, as long as it's still there.

00:41:24.219 --> 00:41:25.840
We'll slow on that because, you know, I found

00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.460
myself back in a little bit back. I do my life.

00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:31.019
But I'm like I do everybody's still he's daily

00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:32.800
pushing me. They like we like you as photographer

00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:35.119
We like you as a podcast person you didn't all

00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.420
together So we're trying to figure out how to

00:41:37.420 --> 00:41:39.980
merge it all together and make it work together

00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:43.519
But people don't like how I speak on my podcast

00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.179
series, you know, they get mad cuz I'm too blunt

00:41:46.179 --> 00:41:48.460
and I'm too real Well, you know, you're not worried

00:41:48.460 --> 00:41:50.280
about the people who don't like. Yeah, I worry

00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.360
about them. So you just got to keep moving forward.

00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.639
I got to just do so anyway. I'm like, I don't

00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:56.260
care which I feel. I don't care. I don't run

00:41:56.260 --> 00:41:58.539
my life. I don't care. Exactly. That's the people.

00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.599
You don't pay my bills. I don't care. Yeah, you

00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.579
don't pay none of my bills. You don't get into

00:42:03.579 --> 00:42:08.000
that level of I don't care. It's hard, especially

00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.039
when you weigh your heart on your sleeve. Mm

00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:13.280
hmm. You know, you like, OK, so I got to slash

00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.679
you right quick, because if not, you won't slash

00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:18.639
me back. You know, it's it's it's a struggle,

00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.860
but I'm glad I'm at the point where I know how

00:42:20.860 --> 00:42:23.579
to say no and no is my favorite word. Yeah, no

00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:26.900
is the best word because it keeps your peace

00:42:26.900 --> 00:42:30.610
and it keeps it does. It keeps you out. out going

00:42:30.610 --> 00:42:32.869
outside of your fears because like you say yes

00:42:32.869 --> 00:42:35.570
and be like scared that I said yes now I say

00:42:35.570 --> 00:42:37.989
no if he happy I say no like yeah y 'all can

00:42:37.989 --> 00:42:39.969
see y 'all no side team and everything I'm saying

00:42:39.969 --> 00:42:45.769
no. I love it. I am not playing with y 'all no

00:42:45.769 --> 00:42:49.489
no Chuck E Cheese please. Exactly there was anything

00:42:49.489 --> 00:42:52.190
that we uh left out of this uh this you know

00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:54.610
I feel like this is a therapy session for you.

00:42:55.110 --> 00:42:57.070
Yeah I mean it was really good, you know, just

00:42:57.070 --> 00:42:59.929
understand, you know, you know, where I was at

00:42:59.929 --> 00:43:02.170
nine years ago and where I am. Especially three

00:43:02.170 --> 00:43:04.429
years ago when you first interviewed me to now,

00:43:04.650 --> 00:43:07.210
like, it's changed and just how I've been is

00:43:07.210 --> 00:43:10.960
just a big, drastic change. Yeah. And I do have

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.179
other photographers behind me Bart law Bart law

00:43:13.179 --> 00:43:15.480
make sure he inboxes me in there Let me know

00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.320
if I'm doing wrong and he makes he adjusts my

00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:21.420
crown a whole lot. Yes So, you know, I do have

00:43:21.420 --> 00:43:23.440
a group of photographers and videographers that

00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:25.519
do pour into me than just the ones that don't

00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.880
you know Yeah, exactly. We don't care about the

00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:29.760
ones that don't care about them ones We gonna

00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:31.860
keep going and I most definitely appreciate you

00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:33.739
for continuing to support me for three years

00:43:33.739 --> 00:43:35.699
now Yeah, well, you know, that's what relationship

00:43:35.699 --> 00:43:40.019
building is Yes, I love it. I love it, and I

00:43:40.019 --> 00:43:42.760
appreciate you taking the time to get to know

00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:46.460
me on year three. Yeah, that's what's up. So

00:43:46.460 --> 00:43:47.980
let everybody know if they can get in contact

00:43:47.980 --> 00:43:50.599
with you when I hire you, things that you want

00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.219
them to know. Yes, you guys can contact me, Facebook

00:43:54.219 --> 00:43:58.360
Red Snapper Photos, IG, Photo Red Snapper, or

00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:03.119
you can contact me at 678 -891 -8743 for bookings.

00:44:03.219 --> 00:44:08.960
Please book me. There you have it. This is a

00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:13.260
music and business talk. Name some artists, and

00:44:13.260 --> 00:44:15.119
you can't name the same ones that you did last

00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:21.500
time. Okay. Name two new artists that you like

00:44:21.500 --> 00:44:27.500
that need a shout out. Cartage Street. He is

00:44:27.500 --> 00:44:30.300
a new southern soul artist that just literally

00:44:30.300 --> 00:44:34.030
bloomed this year. My street, he's a good southern

00:44:34.030 --> 00:44:37.969
soul artist. I really really love him Parted

00:44:37.969 --> 00:44:46.329
streets and Let's see. I've done so many. Oh

00:44:46.329 --> 00:44:50.650
Wow, it's so it's so it's so so many should have

00:44:50.650 --> 00:44:54.739
you Nicole, okay But I don't think you don't

00:44:54.739 --> 00:44:57.280
think you mentioned her last time. Yeah, no what

00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:59.639
Cartier Street because I love something so but

00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:03.320
Cartier Street and Shatavia Nicole, I love them

00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.579
and I really think that they need their their

00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:08.500
flowers. They are great people. This was uh,

00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.539
so y 'all heard it here the Cartier Street and

00:45:11.539 --> 00:45:16.300
Shaka Shakaivia Nicole Shatavia, sorry, Shatavia

00:45:16.300 --> 00:45:19.369
Shatavia Nicole. I think I might know that name,

00:45:19.530 --> 00:45:21.889
but anyway, Shatavia and Nicole, y 'all got y

00:45:21.889 --> 00:45:24.150
'all shout out here on Music and Business Talk.

00:45:24.510 --> 00:45:27.650
I am your host, Andres, with Red Snapper Photo.

00:45:28.090 --> 00:45:31.110
She's again, y 'all, I think the biggest takeaway

00:45:31.110 --> 00:45:35.489
point was protect your energy and no is a good

00:45:35.489 --> 00:45:41.309
word. Yes. No is the best word. Appreciate it,

00:45:41.409 --> 00:45:42.690
man. I appreciate it.