OSA Man: Built by Culture, Tested by the Industry

0:16 We tune in for another episode of Baked Out Radio Show. I'm your host Andres and this is the Music and Business Talk and we have our special guest today. Also, man, which I try to get y 'all to understand it when your own social media use it for networking. So another interview that come through networking opportunities. Also, I mean, you said earlier, you know, you're in the Atlanta area now, right next to Atlanta. Yeah. You've been here for like, no sign. There's too much traffic over there. Actually, it's too much traffic everywhere. Everywhere, bro. I ain't getting no I20. Man, 20 is the worst. Yeah, it is. From Panola Road every morning, from Turner Hill to Evansville, Panola, forget about it.

1:06 All that rush hour traffic, it's just staying still for like 30 minutes. Yes, I was on Panola Road the other day, and I was like, this pair of the weekend, I was like, oh, god. I just, hey, I've never really liked the Metro Atlanta area, because I felt like, you know what I'm saying, it was just too many people. just concentrated in the area and you can't really move. And like I was going down, it was two weeks ago when I was coming back, because I go back between Dallas and Jonesboro a lot. And I was coming up 20, there was a semi truck that had caught on fire. And if you're going ahead of 20 East, you would sit in there dead locked in traffic. I know for at least four or five hours because they still had the fire truck spraying it. out there, put it out. And I was like, it's just horrible. I see a lot of people like to stay outside of the perimeter of 285, don't like to go inside. Like there's people I've talked to like, even that though, even that what you're talking, that sound, it sounded like it might have been right on the outside. Like soon as you start getting outside, proven by Western Chapel. And it was like right before you get to sit flags. Oh, you talking about you on the West side? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2:20 Yeah. Yeah. So I was going to Dallas. I was coming back to Dallas, but I was coming from Jones girl. So, you know, yeah. Well, yeah. I hit 75 came up 20, you know, that's like quickest way to get here, unless you want to just go through Marietta or go through Douglasville, which takes way longer. But yeah, it's always traffic. But you've been here. Yeah. Like you said, you put out when I love the fact when artists put out so many projects, right? because that tells me that you actually really love what you do. Yeah, I love it. Exactly. And you're not doing it like some, I think now it's shifted to where some people use it as a platform for other things and not not doing it for the love. She's taken me on the Shabbat morning. My mother had a pottery class. It was like, oh, that was how Kingston they would know. Like I said, I left for a little bit like a child like seven. It was a performing arts. theater school um that's the main one in jamaican my mother did like a pottery class there so she would be there in the morning i think she had me like doing drawing and stuff so even later on when i was in uh when i went to miami killing i was i had to go to university of miami on like certain times and i did another art school like an art class with uh I don't know if they're all college people, it was just weird. My mom always just found funny stuff for me to do in terms of art. I started playing piano in Jamaica

3:53 when I was like three years old because of that. Just because of drawing and then, oh, what's art? Art is called drawing and painting, but I'm already can draw. And a lot of my, I was just here, I could draw well. And what else is art? Oh, music is art. So then you know and um, I don't remember if there was already a piano in my house But I just remember there have been a panel by the time I was like three or four for sure And I'll be taking piano lessons because I started piano at three I believe three or four So then I went on to guitar for a little bit like seventh grade So all types of genre and I'll start one play guitar Because I liked I started like a classical rock for a while I Didn't want me going to private school in junior high.

4:46 Yeah, so I At the time and you know, I was hated it because I got the news ring summertime in Jamaica Oh, you're not going to public school. You're not going to a vitamin. You're going to Westminster Christine. I was like what? It made no sense. It's like it's gonna drive me like our out of our community To go to some white people school some Christine school Yeah, it's America and everything is there. You know there means expensive Everything there and you want to run up the money you have to drive up there and I found out Okay, I was just weird. There's another boy. There's a Cuban named George and George is also going there So me and George's mom and my mother worked out for us to like carpool there. She would drive She would pick up George and drive me in the morning and George's mother would pick me up in the evenings. And it turned out and going to school for that one year that I made basketball team. I tell people all this time I was fortunate enough to work out with Alex Rodriguez in that small ass gym at Westminster Christian School. Okay. Because Westminster had an elementary school, they had a middle school and they had a high school. Yeah, very small thing. I see I've gotten trouble for something I wanted to get into and when my punishment I got trouble by the baseball coach I made me and this um the other boy I got trouble with Sit

6:17 there for the baseball team and catch fly balls Mm -hmm, so I was there catching fly balls for a rod and his team He started blowing up in 92 so I was broke out not bugged out cause I tell the story for my family and my picnic and everything here all the time and people I meet. So I was like, yup, there goes my high school, it's all HBO. Alex versus A -Rod. So I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, so that's the one thing. But there I got more to computers and I did excellent in art class. I worked with Mr. Christine still, but their music, I had a, had a um another Spanish friend wasn't George named Oscar and Oscar put me on to one of the best things in my life and I didn't know exist when I was 11 12 years old he put me on something called classical rock and Westminster Christian and I found out about Jimi Hendrix I found out about the who I found out about the Grateful Dead found out about the doors I found out about Um, Alice, uh, Janice Joplin with airplane. I found about, I mean, Jefferson airplane and then Jefferson Starship.

7:37 I found out about a larger world of me, of course, the Beatles. So Oscar introduced me to the Beatles, just a little walk. So that was one of the, that's how you know, I like, I don't love me. Yeah. See, I'm saying Led Zeppelin. I'm so thankful, Oscar, man. Let's, because that's the whole thing again with Diddy. that Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, album number four is where he says that da -na -na, da -na -na, da -na -na. And that guy talked about how wack did he was and couldn't do the bars, how he wrote it. And I was like, that's crazy because I told my wife when I was a freshman at High Point University and I was in a rap group called Ill Squad. And I heard, I knew that beat from again, Oscar, my seventh group. By the time I went back to, I buy the middle being around a lot more black people and you know my community shit like that And white people and not so much just all white and it's like I was one of them in my All junior high was just me one of the black guy. We're both contemporary his mom was white um but Going back to there. Then I got back in the hip -hop You know my first that's when I still went to Westminster Christian. My first tape was das effects. I made daddy buy um stop Driving off of South DC highway. So that's what I'm saying. That's how it's like me and music. It's a broad spectrum Yeah, so like when I say rip up So some of my music I have like

9:07 a song called um One of my songs my daughter used to like and it's um It's Kind of not really banking. I'm trying to fit. It's called life of choose I've been waiting for you The whole different type like this is weird and then I rap in the end of it and then I come back in with that weird like kind of falsetto chilling I don't have that type of sound where it's like I'm kind of mimicking that That sound you hear when they just signed TV off. You remember that?

9:59 Star Spangled Banner. I do a lot of stuff from like 5th, 4th, 5th grade. I used to be known as like a sound effects kid. And Josh, like Josh Martin used to love that shit. I used to run around to make a lot of sound effects. But I was always disturbing the disruptive in class. he was more cool with me because he was a black usher from my Baptist church I went to. I didn't have a harder time in fifth grade at Devon Air Elementary because I had a teacher who and he also knew I was on the usher board at the church and he was an usher. But like sixth grade I had to still kind of pipe down. So he's always be known for sound effects. And then that next year when I went to West groups Christian, like I said, I found classic rock. I always loved music though. third base you know um Brian Adams you remember I think you're my age remember that Brian Adams song that was like crazy for that Kevin Costner Robin Hood movie you know the one that talk or if you remember that one I will always love you by Brian Adams oh yeah yeah how huge that record was remember that record yeah like Michael Bolton days and uh yes George Michael yes Yeah, they're huge. I love music, CNC music.

11:22 Yeah. So, like, your love for music is there to put your stuff out, like, to create music and stuff, right, and put out albums and everything. How was that for you? Or, like, why did you want to do it at that particular level? Like I said, it's just, like, that love for music and then the visual. I think it's like two things with me. I know the visual you have to have it, but to me it's the love for music. I started realizing I started writing music, like on and off probably since I was like 14, 15, little silly stuff, but took it a little bit more serious when I went to HPU in North Kacalac. And then I was just trying to have these books, man, like pads and pads. So when my daughter was born, I was like, man, fuck this shit. I'm gonna start recording this music professionally. I went to school.

12:23 I got a batch of science and communications from FIU. So you know the internet. Like I said, I worked at a television station. I've been around the arts. I've been, like one of my favorite stories was me smoking a blunt with, y 'all bless his family, who's gang star. from, I mean, Guru from Gangstar. Yeah. Premier wasn't there, but I hung out with him and he, of course, he was like, you know, I'm Jamaican like, come on, man. You know, send me, watch that show. You and Rachel from Caribbean Ruddings. I mean, no, so yeah, Jamaican. That was my thing. And we were there. We were there to see Nas at Club Mansion on South Beach. Yeah. We were in the time he had to beef with Jay -Z for each album. I was there covering and I was there with a producer. We're on the third floor. Nas is not coming all the way up there for this rider and all this food. But all these people, Nas is a short man. You see how difficult it was for me to get up here with this camera? I was telling her we need to be down there. I left my producer upstairs with the $75 ,000 Beta cameras. I've been around artists have been around the entertainment industry. I did that for like five years Like I met Kelly price when she just got married. That's all that big -ass Rock. Oh Actually, I was telling my homeboy this my all my homeboys cousin who's one of my producers the pharmacist How I missed out seeing to okay, and Jeanine is still mad at you for making me leave that concert Kelly price To K

13:56 was a closer I want to say it was Anthony Hamilton who opened. Oh wow. When I seen him at that Diddy Block party with Jada Kiss, with that Y song like a year or two later, I had already seen Anthony Hamilton. So it was Anthony Hamilton, Kelly Price and T .O .K. That was a bill. And she got her Kelly Price interview, Anthony Hamilton, and she was done because she's Black America and no care about no reggae. Meanwhile, it's the T .O .K. They were going the fuck off and I'm walking out the camera mad as hell. God damn. See, like, folks I know from Killian and shit in South Ridge, who I went and got their high school with, they about to turn the fuck up.

14:37 Yeah. I'm still telling the story. I was so mad at shit. I was telling the pharmacy. He was like, yo, I know Alex. You want to call Alex? He's a guy who's always, you and I, he's the one who does that singing. I don't know if you know two or K. He's a singer in there. he does he's the one that make all the girls go crazy yeah with that song you the song about the boy getting killed and his mom is left when you cry I cry yeah I cry that's Alex but anyway so farmer you know Jason saying oh I could he was like yeah look he just called me he was like You want me to give me a song? I was like, no. He's working on his album. I was like, if anything, get me Buro Bantan. I don't want Alex. He has a deep baritone voice. I can't do nothing with Alex.

15:26 Yeah. Give me Buro Bantan. I got a song I want called Tobaran Tob, Tobaran Tob, Tobaran Tob, when we touch on the road. That's like Buro Bantan. When he does ba -da -dan -ba -d, ba -da -dan -ba -d from way back then when we bust the shot of a Spangler on, he said, him come out, the first man come out from studio on. When I heard that, that's another reason why I fell in love. When I was playing under the mango trees in Jamaica, it was like five years old in my backyard. And we had like, the helpers and cooking dinner and stuff like that. Come on man, that was probably gone. We had a helper called Don. He was like nanny. The helper was like, how you say nanny in a, if y 'all talk like Yankee. And she would just have the radio going on. So I was in Garnet Silk. That's another reason I love music. I grew up in the 80s and you make it. But music was tough. Garnet Silk will come out like on a way to... I'm on a way to Zion and just that whole album that Garnet Silk had before he, unfortunately, you know, was killed. But Boro Bonta, when I heard him as a little boy, I was playing in the dirt. I was like that she was like whoa it's just like that in the essence also to me before I met Oscar that's what made me fall in love with what's called dancehall reggae music. Another song which is the old I joke and tell people this is before I went to Kent's concert come

16:58 and just sit there I'm gonna take my wife up a sit there I'm gonna be bridging. I'm a soca artist named Kez. Never heard of Open for Barris. And now I have two songs from Kez I like. Like four soca songs out there, like, other than that, I hate soca music. That's weird, right? I'm gonna tell you something about music. But here's one genre I'll admit that I hate, aside from four songs. First one I ever loved, I'm like six years old don't know don't know he went in I'm here something called ten cent five cent one cent dollar. Mm -hmm One set five cents at dollar.

17:44 Sorry dollar wide One cent five cents ten set dollar and I start I pick up cuz he's so instructional in the in what you're supposed to do and again It's like Israel, you know us being this real Chosen people written out in the scriptures Mm -hmm call and response because that's how that's how Masha or Moses talked to the people Mm -hmm and Aaron and Aaron was really where we get all the music from because Aaron was a priesthood and That's where all those Psalms from David all those things are those are musicians talking Mm -hmm. So the call and response is one of the biggest things you know a lot of big records.

18:25 It's calling response Yeah met Right. It's called a response with that type of energy. Um and so this was five cents and he was so instructional. I figured out what he was saying. He's like, I need to hit my pelvis to the front when he says one set, throw my hips to the left when he says five set, throw my hips to the right when he says 10 set and throw my butt back when he says a dollar. And I figured it out, and I was doing this little dance, and my dad was looking at me, driving in his old yellow Lada we used to have, one yellow Lada, um, oh, let me call it, Steershine Wagon, Lada, like I want to rush on the vehicle. And, um, my dad just started laughing, I was just, I could give him, entertain my dad, and with the music that was on. So sometimes just the joy that you bring other family members when you feel joy. I think what engulfed me into always having the love of music in my back back on my head So tell us about some successes that you've had you know during your career is like putting out this music, you know cultivating a fan base What have you been able to achieve over the years? Okay So before that I want to say treat it to the bone is one of the second other Soka songs are like so, you know two out of four percent. Yeah, so and I can say the other

19:55 two are from Kes So, um just honestly the fight that I had When I say one of the most successes now is being in charge of my own publishing Okay, I got away from this copyright and I have the publishing and all my stuff that I put out on my music I remember working in film Pan -Atlantic work for other people with my entertainment company, you know, which is Lionheart Entertainment means Lionheart in Hebrew. So it's R -E -A -Leb Entertainment and basically when I was working and doing film for other people like early like early 2010 2011 Saw a Hebrew arts and he had this P on it. So I was like damn. He ain't got a C on his music on YouTube. He had a P Mm -hmm. I think I was always just been a student of all paperwork aspects I might even like sent him a discussion or chat and just ask him. Hey, how do you get that P?

21:00 How did you get your publishing? Just not even thinking about music. Um, I was like I said 2011 I started music profession 2014 When signing up with CD, baby apparently CD baby song trust or a partnership. So they tell you when you, when you get into the music, you need to get your copyright, but then you need to get registered with a, with a PRL, EMI or ASCAP. And I chose ASCAP cause I know I'm a writer and I'm a producer. Like I said, I was, I was doing film or I transferred into really just music solely. So I was like, um, let me choose ASCAP, but let me, And one of the things was CD Baby got me in because I didn't have to then go and sign up for ASCAP and pay that ASCAP fee entry fee. Once I did with CD Baby for that my one my first single call heart attack in 2014 I was able to just get a few months later got my ASCAP card with a member number That was an early win, right?

22:09 Mm -hmm that win Created a headache that I didn't I didn't learn about to maybe like 2019 2018 I ask questions Okay, I see you I'm getting you know some money from you guys I get paid from you guys for streaming and stuff like that, but then where's my stuff from ASCAP Mm -hmm, and then they say from ASCAP you're supposed to go to the MCL Right and then from MCL you go to song trust last Mm -hmm. I know in CD babies already connected the song trip. They are to connect it to the finish line. They don't want you to know that Yeah, it's information for the second step To get money from ASCAP So one one of the wins I had that's all I share with Boone Like one of my arm my day ones here in Atlanta and he's a rapper Um, and he's I'm he's starting his own record label He's called son of a records.

23:10 He's dope. He's a dope rapper. He's got He's got some dope rappers got dope producers But I'm teaching him not to make this mistake. So now I'm with I'm a distro kid now Yeah, I have to go on a fuck CD baby campaign I taught me I said street is it me? Lily hashtag fuck CD, baby And after I did it some years later other people have joined the hashtag When them find out There's a white is a young white lady Who goes through it and she said this shit is terrible? Well folks were collecting a hundred percent of my publishing I Didn't get paid ship from 2014 to 2019 I kept on asking them that's five years of Money and then of course they talk about that black box. Oh, if you don't get your money as artists. It's going to drink and Tyler Taylor Swift It's a black box. So all that shit is really bullshit. They were super scary But I don't know because they got me for five years. Yeah as a writer Yeah, they got me. I think you know to inquiries to do the same thing because when I released projects and I had already set up my ASCAP prior to that. I had the publishing site and the songwriting site. And when I started, I did two projects with them where I let them be the distributor. And I saw where they were doing publishing administration rights and, you

24:42 know, collecting that for you because, you know, you would have to do it yourself. Right. So when I signed up, they sent me an email. I was like, oh, we didn't, we wasn't aware that you had your own publishing entity. I was like, hmm. So it was like, send us a letter of direction to LOD. And, you know, I did that or whatever. And of course, they have to send me my statements along with the payout and all that. But I was actually at a music conference in Nashville a couple of years back where I was in a publishing room with someone with ASCAP, a representative. And I was talking to them and asking them questions about that. He was like, yeah, I really like them, you know, because of situations like that. And I'm like, It's about like learning the business side of the music. And that's what I've always done since jumping in since 2005. Like I used to buy books, read articles, magazines, all that stuff. Anything I can get my hands on that pertain to the music business side. And all these different sources of information would say the same thing.

25:44 You know, learn the business side, make sure you keep publishing, you know, understand. money is made and now even with the whole streaming aspect like there's a lot of artists who don't do uh sound exchange and i'm like yeah they're missing out on money because my first sound exchange check came of when i get that check it was back in 2014 or something like that um where i had a song that made it to brazil and they used it and so they of course because i own the copyright as well They had to send me money for that plus using the song. So it was all in one statement check and I'm going to the mailbox and there's money just sitting there. It's interesting you said because me and you I might have to pick your brain or some of that music side on um because I still that was one of the things that kept on bringing up the CD baby. It was ASCAP and Sound Exchange. I still haven't really got like a straight up here. This is from Sound Exchange.

26:44 A check like how you said a paper check in the middle or anything like that. Haven't got that and I have a song running in Brazil that talk about love and that start running in Brazil on a radio station Small FM station, but they said they show me like how to claim my royalties But I and I thought MCL will do it, but oddly enough MCL won't Yeah, and when it comes to international those are different royalties because like You can get paid performance royalties internationally and still get paid mechanical royalties as well if you're out the same person United States you can't get paid performance royalties because it's illegal They only pay songwriting mechanical royalties when it's played on terrestrial radio now when it's interactive like let's say Pandora or title or Somewhere where you know is streaming from a it's not terrestrial is digital But it's also interactive or non -interactive. Those are all collected by either your PRO or by sound exchange. And like I said, because you produce your own music and you write your own music, whatever, you're also your own copyright holder as well. So you're the master. That's where the master recording is being generated money off of those type of platforms. So you should be getting those checks too. Right. I'm still cracking

28:18 the code because I was able to get a nice arm. Basically, you know, still just answering that question because it was a dog going ham for some reason. It was still a loaded question. It was in, come here Woody. Come here. Sit. So basically Woody. Stop it. They're doing an interview Yeah, so Around around November of last year I was able to Get some back page like I said all the way from 2019 With my ass cap then I thought that was a win and I just found out that because now I'll start getting stuff from you know from last November I Almost a year. Yeah over a year now And it's like every month. I'm like, okay This is different then now I found out I could also get the publishing so I have to register for ask on the publishing side, which is obviously, you know, they had So the sound sound exchanges and next the next one I want to figure that out and then Whatever thing this these people had in Brazil but um You seem to definitely know your stuff because the fact you said you were getting stuff when I started the recording in 2014 and we was happy with that. Obviously, I

29:50 know you're doing well for yourself as well. It's always good to see you know. You know with me doing music, I just want to do it just to show artists because I have a love for music as well just like you but I always want to do like the executive side. But because I was working with artists at the time, like I signed artists to Independent Label and was helping them But due to their own circumstances, we never it didn't materialize into putting anything out commercially Because they allowed their personal life to disrupt their professional life So I was like, I can't we're spending all this money on recording and you know mixing the mash and stuff like their photo shoots and before about the drop projects Like the one artist I signed was a rapper. He was like, you know, he just didn't feel it anymore very talented But I get it the other one with a singer and she just had So much going on with her personal life that you know, she couldn't focus. So I started doing stuff myself and I went through the entire process any coding making sure the metadata is in it registering to media base and BDS, which was two different companies now they've merged into one is nilson media base BDS or whatever the college Yeah, I'm with that too. It's I'm you actually just reminded me.

31:07 I need I need to go register all my last singles with them. Yeah, that's a thing. Oh man, I forgot about that. I need to go back and do my paperwork for that. Yeah, but it's a lot. I told you about never winning. They're not in Nielsen. You just reminded me. Yeah. That's the thing. Like I made sure that everything was always something else though with the music side, man. It is. It is. And then with the stuff, you could leave money on the table anywhere. Yeah, you can and that's the thing if you don't have a register with all the different places you need to you will be missing out on money Yeah, that's the thing and like even like making sure that I'm saying you that's just song splits correctly with you know when you collaborate with other people and then half a time they'll even have this stuff like I've done stuff with other artists I'm going through that so much right now I literally basically kind of leaving cuz of the sound quality too, but I'm basically leaving my home by breding them in educator And I'm just gonna start recording with all my homeboys people now Because that yeah, cuz like I don't want to be working with you still and be Have my shit right and you just won't do a LLC or do some people it's right Then it's like you're telling me this name when I look it up and there's somebody else who's black magic and they're shit and all. And then it's the other and then you got it. You you have a

32:38 team of people behind you and they're following you. You're the leader and you don't want to do it. It's like, man. Yeah. I don't know. I just like and that's why I guess they say sometimes people change, but it's it's the my state. Exactly. Change when you you know you can do better and there's a way to actually then get passive income for your family. Why won't you do it? It's like all of them, you know, it's a hundred million behind all here. There's not it's not a lot of money Just to start out. You know what I'm saying? And then it's going you going to get the shit back You see I'm doing you see I'm getting numbered. You know, like it's not like I'm playing with it. You know That's one of the things but it's funny that you said how you describe how that one artist one rapper just in one rapper more on the girl had personally issues I, not just, you know, I was talking about the recording people when I was doing film. I was doing like music videos. You know, they wanted to rap and shit.

33:43 I was talking about film. So I was like, all right, I see you can't, you actually recorded, you're not bullshitting. I will spend some time with you. I will record, I will do some music video. And I used to do that in Miami, but I used to get paid, same thing. You know, if I'm gonna do a film. Video you love to pay the X amount. This is my time. I was gonna take me to do it. Um, I still did a few little videos here for other people There's always a thing with that type of business. You got to have a what like my dad said business is consistent You got to have a return customer and it's not really return customer. Then it's not consistent All right, so it's not really a function in business and then if you have to be going out trying to convince people at times like because he saw my daddy so I love life insurance and he can still go back now because me and him were still talking about the how much shares he had and what is still paid. And that was the one thing where I love boy black. I remember having to shake a lot of people's hands in Kingston. Hey, this is my son is my son. He'd be working somewhere in shorts. So I know not to play with business.

34:47 And that's the things like these these artists, I was doing shit for them. Yeah, they paid here, but they're not return customers. It's too slow down. It's not enough and then The hours of time to take the attitude Yes, that's the one thing I still I still really don't have any music videos. I've started I went out and started filming talk about love to make my first music video Because I have all this footage. It's like damn I did like a two -day shoot for myself real quick and I have some more interior to do and get like Another model and then pay like this one white girl in England. She wants to dance for it and shit some tiktoker With all that's costing I pay like 150 or some shit. She'll put on a tiktok But I'll use the background the footage and in the land and I want to show different cultures of people Because the song's about love it's about you know two commandments that you're sure y 'all shy spoke um So I wanted to do it right especially my first thing and I got puppeteering in there with my mascot glow in the dark You know saying it's a lot of different stuff going on with that so All that I can control I can control the time in any these other artists I couldn't necessarily control the same thing you can't control what they're gonna do with the time when they're gonna come back right even now I just talking about my home where the pharmacist and he put me up to his, uh, Brejan. I just found out this dude used to, he wrote a lot of the songs for Sammy. I had never got paid as a writer.

36:23 Yeah. So now that brother is using AI because he has the same problem. He's writing songs using AI, trying to get all the largest people to AI. Mm -hmm. He ain't never gonna get that money for Sam. Everybody knows Sammy or Adam. Yeah. I feel you know what I'm talking about. Mm -hmm. So now this is my new recording engineer because of my other homeboy Booneys cousin Mm -hmm. I was in put me on him now. I'm going to another studio on them and Henry County. Mm -hmm. All right, so shout out now Me him and both people, you know, we ain't working on Shabbat. We won't work on the first day and go do this and this was like Some of the things you're talking about he's had problem. So all those have problems artists and we also got What's the best way to do it? Put my energy into myself. Yeah. Do myself.

37:15 I could be consistent with myself as best as I can be. You know, it's it's back to our old shit. It's out of necessity almost. Yeah, it is. You know, like, you know, it's out of necessity. Yeah. You're still there trying to help other out to, you know, get their dreams met. But then they're not consistent. You know, like, I can't build anything. Consistency person with a good heart and the money and the time of the patient Sometimes hey shit gotta stop some sometime Exactly, so that's where I just transitioned so you know went into you know podcasting and building radio station and all that and Just doing it that way because working with artists from a label standpoint.

38:01 I'm like it's hard if people don't talk about that but I did want you to do it. Exactly. I get some people sometime and even when I get little people to rap with me, it's still like you kind of like you got to pull their leg and work with these stuff. But that's everybody, everybody's life is just too difficult. This economy, people's mentality these days, you know what I'm saying? It is what it is. I did want you, because I got to... do another interview here in a little bit at 12. I want you to let everybody know, how can they take out your music, where do they need to go, and if they want to support? Yeah, definitely with me, I prefer everybody would give me up on Apple Music. And it's capital O, capital S, capital A, you know, man, capital M, of course, so it's also man, which I had to fight CD Baby for years. Because of the s in the a they wouldn't capitalize it. Hmm. A lot of my stuff was this prolonged. It's unnecessary things And there's another artist named also the same way so don't confuse me with him He's capital osa too, but I think he's supposed to be the one with capital O lowercase s lowercase a Mm -hmm. So I'm also man YouTube or Apple music definitely hit me up like that social media.

39:24 I really don't care. I'm more And just about what I do, you know same just TC TC IB 10 care of business as a brother should you know? Mm -hmm. Yes, I said take care of business in the most professional manner. So I call it brofessionalism Brofessionalism. I love it. It's just love the lingo Everybody out there. Yeah, I'm sure y 'all go and support also man. Like you said go to Apple music and spell his name correctly capital OSA followed by man ma in Y 'all keep supporting the platform and all the interviews that we put out and support the independent artists because the independent artists need supporting. I just want to say big up to Deffy's talking about my Andreas right here. He's banked out. You know what I'm saying? Money falling out of pockets all out the bank. It's banked out radio. It's my first podcast. I appreciate you having me.

40:21 Oceaman Luke Music. I do it to life as opposed to death. Shalom.