From Adoption To Influence: Patrice Hudson's Journey Of Resilience

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All right, y 'all, we're going to tune in for

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another episode of Bankedoutt Radio Show. This

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is Music and Business Talk. I'm your host, Andreas,

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and I have online with us Ms. Patrice Hudson,

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who is a photographer, an author, a creator,

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and I'm sure many more things as, you know, I'm

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saying we get to have this conversation. But

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Patrice, welcome to the platform. Thank you so

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much. Thank you for having me. You're welcome.

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I definitely want to get into your story because

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I like to learn people's why of why they do things

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and their journey coming into this. So I know

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that from what you put out there, you were in

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foster care. Yes, I was. You're originally from

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Cali. Yes, I am. Now, I guess you reside in the

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Metro Atlanta area. Yes. Okay. When did you get

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to Atlanta? About seven years ago. Yeah, I've

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been out here for seven years. How have you been

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liking Atlanta? I'm not going to lie. I like

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it here, but I hate the weather. The weather

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is so bipolar. I mean, it's the first time I

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know how to dress, like, for real. Because I'm

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so used to just wearing a short -sleeved shirt

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in Cali. or some type of jacket and some long

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pants and call it a day but out here and shorts

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I can't even wear shorts in a day like I have

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to have long pants on long maybe not a jacket

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since I'm wearing a long sleeve but it's like

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it is iffy one minute is hot next minute is cold

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the next minute is the humidity out here is crazy

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and rains and then surprisingly we have snow

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out here twice so I don't I don't like all seasons

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in one year. That's too good. All seasons in

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one year. I tell people, we don't really get

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a springtime because it goes from, let's see,

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winter once it's finally cold to maybe two weeks

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of spring and then straight hail. It just goes

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crazy. What part of Cali were you at? In LA.

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That's Southern California, isn't it? Yeah. Well,

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yeah, that's definitely a difference. What about

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culture? How's the culture out there versus culture

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here? It's totally different, too. A lot of,

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you know, African -American, I like that, though.

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But before I started at Cali, it started to turn

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into like New Mexico. No offense, though. I mean,

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I love my Mexican people, Hispanic people. But

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they pushing out there more than, you know, the

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Americans. No, I definitely get that. It's a

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good mix of people out there in Cali versus what

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it is out here. But it is majority black out

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here. And I do like that. So a lot of folks like

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that when I'm out here. Let's see, have you ran

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across the, what is it, the Atlanta School? basically

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make themselves bigger than what they really

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are? Somewhat. Maybe I ran into, not a lot so

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far. I've gotten to the presence of a few of

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them, just like that. That's good. Well, you

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haven't ran into a whole lot of them, whatever,

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because I'm going to make it really sour and

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moody stuff. I want to get into your photographer.

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have to get paid. What got you into the world

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of photography? Like, why did you really want

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to jump into that around? It started from when

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I was a kid. So I've always loved taking pictures,

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modeling and stuff. So whoever camera, I'll be

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like the girl that'd be posting all the time.

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And, you know, like I was a girl that always

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was ready for just the phone cameras, all that.

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So it kind of just pushed me. I taught myself

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actually so I've never really was in School to

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learn how to do photography and you know photography

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and you know graphic design and all that it just

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was up for me and I just pursued it more and

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The name actually came from my brother. So he

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passed away in 2018 And something just decide

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for me. My brain was like, you know what? We're

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just gonna go ahead and create a photography

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business and the name, I'm not gonna lie, it

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was kind of hard at first, but then I would,

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I'll just do it and name it after my brother

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since he's not here to, you know, push his legacy

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out more. I was like for him. And so far after

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that, it just, I just kept pushing and thriving

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more. The business came after 2018? No, so the

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business actually came in about 2019, 2020. Yeah,

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because it was very difficult for me to, and

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I was still a kid. I was a teenager still at

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that time. I was trying to process a lot that's

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happened in my life and losing my biological

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brother due to a car accident. and he had a wife,

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it was a lot to process. Did you feel like you

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went through all the stages of grief and you

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got to an acceptance stage or do you think you're

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still processing? No, I think I've gotten for

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sure into an acceptance stage. Sometimes I still

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kind of reflect back and like wishing that it

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wasn't him, it was something else. Me and my

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brother, we were raised on having pets. Dogs

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and he had a dog in his truck at the time of

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when it happened and a dog didn't get hurt Gratched

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none of that and a dog survived the whole entire

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car accident except for my brother So I kind

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of I had some type of hatred towards that I did

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And then I had you know blaming because he got

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my brother got hit by 18 willer for whoever that

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was driving. Thank God I didn't see the person

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and I wasn't physically there because I was out

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here at the time when the accident happened.

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So it was hard, definitely hard for me to process

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that since he was, you know, my blood, this is

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my, you know, person I've been with since, I

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can say since I was two years old, two more than

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growing up. That definitely, like, I was like

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asking God why Like, why you couldn't take the

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dog, or why you couldn't take the baby. That's

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how that came about. So I imagine your brother

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was like, you know, a huge support system for

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you. With that person, you know, not there, how

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did it feel like, you know, just starting your

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entrepreneurial journey and being a photographer

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and knowing that, you know, moral support and

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emotional support is huge when you first start

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out? Yeah. How was that journey for you? To be

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able to, you know, start something and want to,

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like, see it through. I mean, for me, it's more

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of, like, as long as I have people that support

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me, I'm good. You know, as long as I have the

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good people, because you have bad people that

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can be in your life and connected to your life

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to where they can bring you negativity. And I

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decide to push that away and try not to entertain

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the negativity and bring the people that's more

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positive in. in my life and that's pretty much

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what happened and I still have people today still

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supporting me and you know pushing me into a

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positive out of negative one so that's pretty

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much that helps me to keep pushing and driving

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more. How was it you know lending your first

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client? How was the process for you? I'm not

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gonna lie I was nervous at first but used to

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doing stuff by myself on my own without you know

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nobody actually seeing or I visualize her in

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embracing. So the first client, it was a lady.

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She was very patient with me. And this was like,

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you know, don't be nervous and just flow. Just

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do what you do. And I'm just, you know, participate

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and whatever you need to do, just do it. And

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I was like, okay. So after that first client,

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I was so happy. I was like, my nerves was out

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of the wind. Yeah. But yes, so after that first

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client, I mean, it just started getting easier.

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So once you do something and you repeatedly start

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doing it, you did what you were doing before.

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And yes, there are some mistakes that you're

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going to do. But she laughed. That was the only

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thing that happened. that I was like, okay, I

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was cool with. Yeah. So was that like a regular

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photo shoot or what type of service were you

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doing with the amp photography? No, it was a,

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I was doing a business shoot. So head shots and

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size shots, different angles. And we did the

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whole wardrobe of her clothes and you know, stuff

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like that. So as you're developing a skill and

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you're putting yourself out there as a professional,

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What services are you guaranteeing towards the

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most as far as providing and bringing yourself

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as? I'm not going to lie, everything. She's doing

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everything. Family, photos. Seriously, I'm trying

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to be open to everything, not necessarily only

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a specific thing, and that's all I do. Because

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if you don't put yourself to try to do something

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new or different. I mean, hey, everybody trying

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to get money. You know what I mean? But far as

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the money -wise, I don't necessarily try to focus

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on the money too much because I love doing what

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I do. So you make something in order for you

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to work. What's been your most difficult service

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to the provider? What was really challenging

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for you? Ooh, that's a good question. I would

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say having a secretary person, not gonna lie,

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cause I do everything on my own. So sometimes

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I have to out to, you know, it's okay to have

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a partner with you, somebody that, you know,

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cause some things I can tell you this one shoot

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I was at, I was in downtown Atlanta. And I had

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all this stuff in my car that I needed, like

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with the lights, the battery stuff for my camera,

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all the heavy type deal. And I was only there

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at the time to get out of the car, go to shoot

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where it's supposed to go. Yes, I can say that

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I didn't need to hire somebody to assist me on

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that specific part. But other than that, I mean,

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that's the only difficulty that I can see. per

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se, that I need would pretty much need to be

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helped. Yeah, I think that's the difficult part

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for me. But I'm so, see, I'm so hard with sharing,

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because then maybe I'm about to split my pay,

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and I love the money. So, but yeah, that's my

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only difficult part, I would say. So you never

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thought about it to like, so if you take on a

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job, and let's say you know you need a second

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person. when you do the quote, do you not like

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build that second person to pay into the actual

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quote? I mean, I have never experienced that

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yet. Okay. So, you know, you still learning like,

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you know what I'm saying? I guess basically how

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to run your business and some tactics and things

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that you should use going forward in the future.

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Yeah. How do you like that? How do you like entrepreneurship

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and like, you know, attracting jobs and, you

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know, basically chasing your money? I love it.

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Yeah, I really love it because it's like more

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like for me is the scheduling wise I don't have

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money telling me to get up at 9 or 8 o 'clock

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in the morning to do like a 12 hour late hour

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shift, you know what I mean? To make your money

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For as it up any time and do something and what

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two hours and make twice as more money than what

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you're actually getting for that What do you

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say to the people who like... I love making the

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money, I do. Everyone does that. What do you

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say to those who like, like you said, you can

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make the money in two hours of like, you know,

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doing the actual shoot, and twice the money that,

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you know, people would make, but then they don't

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understand like, you know, on the edit side of

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your photos or the concepts of behind the scenes

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things that you have to do. once you're no longer,

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you know, doing the actual fun part of the shoot.

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What do you say to those, you know what I'm saying,

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who don't really, like, you know, understand

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that, you know, you might be working on photos

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for like six, seven hours. It's the work and

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the time. Like I said, there's no, like, there's

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no really separating the work ethics of everything,

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because you still have to work a long time. I

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don't want to say work a long time, but... What

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I mean by like the process of everything you

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still have to do that work There's no easy stuff.

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You still have to work hard to achieve Whatever

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that you're trying to achieve. Well, you're doing

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photos and you're building up your clientele

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When did you catch me? I guess the bug to become

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an author and actually publish your book. So

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that came about with everything that I've been,

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you know, going through in life. And I've had

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mentors, friends, and certain family members

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before. And something that I've, it's not that

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I've always wanted to write a book. I'm not even

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gonna lie, because as a kid, I hate reading.

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I did not like to read whatsoever. You give me

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a book and I look at the book and then just walk

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away and leave that book right there. sitting

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because I believe a reader like that until I've

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had different people in my life to inspire me

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to talk with me and they're like you know what

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you need to show your story and I'm like what

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you mean by that like I mean I already do like

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taking pictures and you know videos and stuff

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like that and they're like no I mean yes people

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are on social media and yes people are you know

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on the internet doing stuff but you actually

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need to tell your story, write a book, you know?

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So I've had different people to encourage me

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by doing so. And I'm like, man, why I need to

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write a book? Like I just, I was so defensive

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about it. Like I just did not want to do it for

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some reason. But until the night where I just

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sat down and I had closed my eyes and I had saw

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something and it was... I feel like it was my

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brother talking to me. It was more so, I just

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kept seeing words written everywhere and I couldn't

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really figure out what it was until I got up

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and I was like, you know what, I'ma just stop

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being hard -headed and people do need to hear

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my story and I could change people's lives and

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also to show that kids and teenagers doesn't...

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you know, in the system that they can learn from

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me, you know, so I was like, okay, I'll open

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up now, you know, tell my story. But I did have

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some hindrance because of my past and I was taken,

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I was taken from using my words. So a lot of

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people would control, you know, my voice and

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I couldn't really speak out and say what I really

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wanted to say. So I was like, okay, use my book

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as my mouth, my words. And words are powerful.

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Like, okay, I'm gonna write it, I'm gonna do

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it. So I started that night just typing away,

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typing up stuff that I wanted to say. And nobody

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stopped me. I'll just push it out there and that's

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how I did it. How long did it take you to write

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the book? A year and a half. Well, let's see,

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probably around what, 2023? I think the book

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was released last year, 2025? Yes. But once you

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got to that point, you know, because you could

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have just wrote the book and then not put it

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out. Were you just forcing ahead with the process

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or did you, you know, or were you fearful of,

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like, actually publishing and putting it out?

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Or was your mind set? I was actually fearful

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because I was more focused on, and it's a thing,

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too. I had to accept that, you know, I shouldn't

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care about what nobody says, you know. Because

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people are gonna like you and people are not

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gonna like you people's gonna like what you have

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to say and people are not gonna like like to

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what you have to say, so it's really Either or

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but you shouldn't have to focus on that. You

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should focus on yourself and that's pretty much

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it and for me I was like like I said, I was kind

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of tempted and scared about what other people

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would say And I just had to realize that you

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know, it's okay I shouldn't care about what people

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think because a lot of people is going to think

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and you can't stop them, but you can't stop yourself

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as well. So I was like, you know what? I'm going

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to just do it and whatever clap back, they clap

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back. If they don't, then oh well. And if they

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do, oh well still because I know I'm going to

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be okay. Did you get that sense of relief of

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accomplishment and also like I guess a weight

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off your shoulders when she was like, you know

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what, it's published, it's out there. Yes, I

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did. I for sure did. I did. And then after when

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I had got this published out there, you know

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what? I was like, you know what? Okay. I feel

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really for that. You know what? Let me do another

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release by doing films and talking more, speaking

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up more. And that's how I got my commentary.

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That's what's up. So you published it in 2025.

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What was the response from your network and the

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community and started pushing the book and, you

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know, getting people to go and check it out?

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I actually got a lot of love, more love than

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what I've been, you know, accepting. So that

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a lot of people were supporting me like that,

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actually. See, what sometimes you get a saying

00:20:48.509 --> 00:20:52.730
of, a closed mouth don't get fed. You open it

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up, people are gonna start coming to you, towards

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you. and that attention. Yeah, that's how I felt.

00:21:01.609 --> 00:21:03.369
What was like some of the feedback that they

00:21:03.369 --> 00:21:06.250
were digesting material? What were they telling

00:21:06.250 --> 00:21:09.910
you? They were like, Patrice, now you were going

00:21:09.910 --> 00:21:13.670
through this? I was like, yeah. And they're like,

00:21:13.849 --> 00:21:17.190
oh my God. Like, I cannot believe this happened

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to you. I was like, yeah. I just, you know, at

00:21:19.829 --> 00:21:21.869
the time I couldn't speak up or say nothing.

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So this is just my... had to be a robot basically

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in a way but still be a kid so you know and there

00:21:29.990 --> 00:21:33.029
was like oh my gosh we wish we were there to

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do something we wish we could have had you be

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you know it was a lot of love though but i'm

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like you know and it's okay that you guys didn't

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have me or it's okay that you know i went through

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what i went through it had to be a reason why

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god had me to go through that but i learned yes

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There's a great thing about doing it is someone

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who, you know, I can identify with like the foster

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care system, because I went through it as well.

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From what age? From two days after my 15th birthday,

00:22:06.349 --> 00:22:08.849
all the way to one through college. And you know,

00:22:08.990 --> 00:22:12.210
some rights away around 18, that I can go to

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college and they pay it for like two years. And

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then of course I just aged out. So it's like

00:22:16.210 --> 00:22:20.119
what? Seven, eight years almost. of going through

00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:23.259
that system and experiencing a lot of things

00:22:23.259 --> 00:22:26.960
that, you know, most people don't know that foster

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kids go through, and then the stuff prior to

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that as well. But having that experience in your

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life, did it harden you as far as, like, the

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way that you see the world and what you experience

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versus, like, you know, in Martin and the way

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that we're things can happen to you, right? You

00:22:50.369 --> 00:22:52.569
can process information and then you can move

00:22:52.569 --> 00:22:55.390
on and just go do something else and it doesn't

00:22:55.390 --> 00:22:59.630
really like, you know, weigh you down. Did that

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happen to you in a sense? Maybe sort of, but

00:23:03.029 --> 00:23:07.069
I don't think it affected me that bad because

00:23:07.069 --> 00:23:09.269
like I said, I was in the foster care system,

00:23:09.430 --> 00:23:14.690
infant to the age of three and a half. So I don't

00:23:14.690 --> 00:23:17.869
really have any, you know, I didn't have any

00:23:17.869 --> 00:23:25.369
bad experience in the system. Okay. Yeah, because

00:23:25.369 --> 00:23:27.470
I was just a baby. Everybody just, you know,

00:23:27.650 --> 00:23:30.549
feed an infant, play with an infant, and then

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eat folded and all that. So I just got the typical,

00:23:33.630 --> 00:23:38.609
you know, stuff. But I've never, I never was

00:23:38.609 --> 00:23:41.930
treated bad in the system. Yeah, I'm glad that

00:23:41.930 --> 00:23:45.380
you didn't have that experience. And then, like

00:23:45.380 --> 00:23:48.259
you said, as an infant, you know, it can be looked

00:23:48.259 --> 00:23:50.380
upon differently because, you know, most of the

00:23:50.380 --> 00:23:53.680
time, people like, you know, like, they never

00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:57.259
seem to be like babies anyway. I think those

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who experience it later on in life, they have

00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:04.680
a different outtake. What about your sense of,

00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:09.960
like, belonging to, like, community? Like, you

00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:13.619
knew growing up that, you know, that was not

00:24:13.619 --> 00:24:18.140
your origin. or your family origin so your sense

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of like belong to something what was your perspective

00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:32.640
on that um i think from from when i started you

00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:36.740
know living with someone and then keep seeing

00:24:36.740 --> 00:24:41.160
different faces all the time it kind of my brain

00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:43.789
already like that you know what you're not really

00:24:43.789 --> 00:24:46.849
where you're supposed to be at from seeing different

00:24:46.849 --> 00:24:50.609
faces and different people taking care of you

00:24:50.609 --> 00:24:54.710
and all that i just kind of learned quick i'm

00:24:54.710 --> 00:24:56.710
like okay i know i'm not where i'm supposed to

00:24:56.710 --> 00:25:02.809
be at so it was it was kind of easier for me

00:25:02.809 --> 00:25:07.210
to understand even the kids probably don't remember

00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:11.869
you know different stages of you know one two

00:25:11.869 --> 00:25:18.349
and three but for me i remember all that from

00:25:18.349 --> 00:25:22.150
different places to different names different

00:25:22.150 --> 00:25:26.930
houses i can still tell you till today i can

00:25:26.930 --> 00:25:29.349
still tell you up today like what i was doing

00:25:29.349 --> 00:25:35.450
when i was one oh wow and two He had a great

00:25:35.450 --> 00:25:37.069
memory. I can't remember when I was doing one.

00:25:37.210 --> 00:25:38.970
I think my earliest childhood memory is probably

00:25:38.970 --> 00:25:42.250
around four or five. I can't remember if one

00:25:42.250 --> 00:25:45.490
or two. Now, I do have my youngest and she can

00:25:45.490 --> 00:25:47.849
remember when she was like two years old and

00:25:47.849 --> 00:25:49.490
different stuff happening and whatever. And I

00:25:49.490 --> 00:25:51.309
was like, yeah, I can't remember that. I don't

00:25:51.309 --> 00:25:52.769
know. Maybe it's just a mental block or something

00:25:52.769 --> 00:25:58.220
like that. Going through life like that. I know

00:25:58.220 --> 00:26:00.779
I experienced a situation where it puts me like

00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:05.039
in an overdrive type of scenario where I become

00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.900
very ambitious and want to accomplish a lot of

00:26:08.900 --> 00:26:11.759
different things. Do you think that shaped how

00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:19.660
you looked at goals? I think so, for sure. How

00:26:19.660 --> 00:26:22.880
do you measure up to your like your peer group?

00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:26.660
Are you more ambitious than them and have you

00:26:26.660 --> 00:26:29.380
achieved more stuff than them or you're on the

00:26:29.380 --> 00:26:33.539
same trajectory path? I can't say this, yes.

00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:39.259
I am not an average, okay, I'm not an average

00:26:39.259 --> 00:26:45.180
per se young adult out there, but I'm just saying

00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:50.299
I am a young adult. I have achieved more than

00:26:50.299 --> 00:26:53.359
some young adults and I think it's because the

00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.880
way I was raised. So after me being in the system

00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.559
and then I got adopted at the age of three and

00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:07.680
a half. The family that adopted my brother and

00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:15.099
I, they were older. So now like they're in their

00:27:15.099 --> 00:27:22.859
sixties. But I was raised with more morals and

00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:31.579
values. So I don't act like an average, you know,

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:36.740
1920 row type deal. Because most of them are

00:27:36.740 --> 00:27:41.420
just out there hanging out and smoking, drinking,

00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:44.160
all that, you know, never really thinking about,

00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:47.579
you know, okay, so this might affect me later

00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:49.670
on in life. or things that they put out on social

00:27:49.670 --> 00:27:51.490
media. This might affect me later on in life.

00:27:51.789 --> 00:27:55.710
They don't think about stuff. I do. Yeah. The

00:27:55.710 --> 00:28:00.029
way that you present yourself. I think about

00:28:00.029 --> 00:28:03.109
that all the time. Yeah, I definitely get that.

00:28:03.769 --> 00:28:05.990
What peer group do you feel most comfortable

00:28:05.990 --> 00:28:14.529
around? Like, where do you just vibe at? I would

00:28:14.529 --> 00:28:18.750
say older people. Because I hear their stories

00:28:18.750 --> 00:28:22.490
and, you know, I just latch on to them more than

00:28:22.490 --> 00:28:25.990
just like the younger generation. And it's so

00:28:25.990 --> 00:28:29.849
sad for me to say that because I feel like I

00:28:29.849 --> 00:28:34.849
shouldn't really have to put myself in age category,

00:28:35.170 --> 00:28:37.869
you know what I mean? Because yes, I am young.

00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:43.329
I'm not old. I'm not old, y 'all. I am young.

00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.779
I think the only reason why I categorize myself

00:28:48.779 --> 00:28:55.460
in a certain age group is because these kids

00:28:55.460 --> 00:29:01.039
and younger adults, yes, I'm gonna take it there.

00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:05.240
They don't have, I'm not gonna say that they're

00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:09.720
stupid, because they're not. Everybody has their

00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:15.480
intelligence, okay? act the same as the older

00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:24.099
generation and where their mindset is at. What

00:29:24.099 --> 00:29:28.660
age do you consider older? Not too hard to take

00:29:28.660 --> 00:29:33.200
it there. Okay, for me, okay, I would say the

00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:39.220
age is like 50 and up, 60 and up. Okay. In your

00:29:39.220 --> 00:29:44.740
40s and 30s, Y 'all in the mid. Which y 'all

00:29:44.740 --> 00:29:50.759
not old yet. When you turn that 52, I consider

00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:56.079
y 'all as old. So you like to hang out with the

00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.519
50 -year -olds and have conversations with them

00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:02.880
and stuff like that? Yeah, with the 40s, you

00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.859
know. The cutoff was at 1921 and all the way

00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:14.799
up. But the 19 and... Younger I'm sorry You know

00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.539
y 'all still learning y 'all You know y 'all

00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:21.240
gonna make a lot of mistakes and sometimes these

00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.660
kids don't even Hardly make any sense of what

00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:27.240
they be doing. They just do stuff and everything

00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.619
just falls apart Yeah, definitely get that but

00:30:30.619 --> 00:30:33.799
even you've been doing business for a few years.

00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.240
What has been your biggest hurdle that you've

00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.799
come overcame thus far. Learning how to manage

00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:46.400
time and doing the work on time, yeah. I love

00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.240
that you said it. There seems to be a lot of

00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:53.000
like solepreneurs, entrepreneurs, main thing,

00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:54.960
especially when it comes to like service -based

00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.140
businesses. I think it's so easy to get distracted

00:30:58.140 --> 00:30:59.559
by so many different things because you have

00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.730
to wear so many different hats. in fulfilling,

00:31:02.730 --> 00:31:04.230
you know what I'm saying, the orders and the

00:31:04.230 --> 00:31:06.509
service, you know, you can easily get distracted.

00:31:07.509 --> 00:31:10.069
What's something that you don't like about the

00:31:10.069 --> 00:31:12.150
photography business that if you had the power

00:31:12.150 --> 00:31:14.730
to change, like across the industry, you would

00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:19.250
change? I would say having one company that has

00:31:19.250 --> 00:31:22.970
all, I would say like, well, I know that it's

00:31:22.970 --> 00:31:24.970
not gonna be one company, but I'm saying for

00:31:24.970 --> 00:31:28.710
as like production -wise, camera -wise, cameras,

00:31:28.950 --> 00:31:32.529
lens, all that. just have that in one company.

00:31:33.130 --> 00:31:36.430
But I know they wanna, you know, I'll do this

00:31:36.430 --> 00:31:39.069
other person, I'll do this person, I'll do that

00:31:39.069 --> 00:31:43.109
person. So for me, I wish that I could change

00:31:43.109 --> 00:31:48.029
the companies wise. Sony got this, Nikon got

00:31:48.029 --> 00:31:51.730
this, all these other, you know, companies that

00:31:51.730 --> 00:31:56.049
got the same stuff. Why be one? That's all I'm

00:31:56.049 --> 00:32:00.680
saying. What do you prefer as a camera? What's

00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.420
your camera choice brand? My camera choice brand?

00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.420
Okay, don't get on me. I like Sony more than

00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:15.980
Nikon and DL. But people have their other preferences.

00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:19.980
And I can understand the difference between what

00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:23.599
they all look like. But for me, I just wish that

00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.319
why they all can't just be one. Yeah, so what

00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.079
do you like about Sony product and the others?

00:32:30.259 --> 00:32:37.339
It's easy to learn for me. Quality wise, I love

00:32:37.339 --> 00:32:42.140
the quality wise, not a lie. Not too much stuff

00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:47.539
that you have to learn as far as, you know, the

00:32:47.539 --> 00:32:52.160
camera or whatever else that you use within that

00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.819
company. Because I've been using It's only for

00:32:55.819 --> 00:33:03.059
the past maybe six or seven years. But it's whatever

00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:06.200
that you're capable of learning and attaching

00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:11.259
yourself to and with. Let me ask you this with

00:33:11.259 --> 00:33:15.319
AI and all the different tools that it has. And

00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.519
I remember like when the camera phones were like

00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.250
big and People were saying, well, there's no

00:33:21.250 --> 00:33:23.690
need to hire photographers anymore, which I thought

00:33:23.690 --> 00:33:27.269
was like an S -line type of thing to say, because

00:33:27.269 --> 00:33:30.450
you're hiring someone based off experience and

00:33:30.450 --> 00:33:32.369
what they can bring to the table. How do you

00:33:32.369 --> 00:33:36.890
think AI will affect photography business and

00:33:36.890 --> 00:33:41.809
the art business in the future? You know what?

00:33:43.089 --> 00:33:47.450
They make an AI so much different, stronger now

00:33:47.450 --> 00:33:52.539
than what it used to be. And I really do think

00:33:52.539 --> 00:34:02.279
that Would it get more Progress now I Don't think

00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:06.220
it's gonna push out, you know any photographers

00:34:06.220 --> 00:34:12.440
at all because it's certain things that That

00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.320
a photographer can do versus what AI can do,

00:34:16.340 --> 00:34:20.800
you know Mean yes, I've seen different photos

00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:26.059
the different videos that might look real but

00:34:26.059 --> 00:34:32.059
You can see for me far as I know I can see When

00:34:32.059 --> 00:34:35.260
it's AI and when it's not where it can be a little

00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:40.039
small little that can glitch with AI Now what

00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:44.000
actual photographer? There's no glitching with

00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.880
that You can actually see everything that the

00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.679
photographer is trying to do So I don't think

00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.900
AI is gonna beat out any you know photographers,

00:34:55.900 --> 00:35:04.900
but I do think that for as different Different

00:35:04.900 --> 00:35:09.539
projects as in like I've seen music videos I've

00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:15.579
seen There's this one girl um that i know of

00:35:15.579 --> 00:35:21.179
on social media um she has some type of lawsuit

00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:26.139
against her because she used ai um voice wise

00:35:26.139 --> 00:35:30.139
but she's right she writes the stuff and the

00:35:30.139 --> 00:35:33.039
ai does a whole song upon her poem that she did

00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:38.119
but now different they're trying to you know

00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.780
clock her because oh what a voice might sound

00:35:40.780 --> 00:35:46.500
like somebody somebody that sings. Now she got

00:35:46.500 --> 00:35:51.920
a lawsuit against her. So I do think certain

00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.099
productions will get, you know, beat from AI,

00:35:55.139 --> 00:35:58.880
but I don't think photography -wise and videographers,

00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.199
I don't think they're going to get beat. Yeah.

00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:05.099
I don't think they're going to get beat. Like

00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:07.579
I said, I think it's a tool that, you know, to

00:36:07.579 --> 00:36:09.780
help with some things, like, and can clear some

00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:15.409
stuff. Essentially, it's the creativity comes

00:36:15.409 --> 00:36:18.050
from the mind of the person providing the service.

00:36:19.070 --> 00:36:22.889
Some things that I shot is like I shot a reality

00:36:22.889 --> 00:36:29.030
show this past summer. And certain human things

00:36:29.030 --> 00:36:32.010
that you do, especially in the editing process,

00:36:32.090 --> 00:36:35.469
not even in the editing process, but just from

00:36:35.469 --> 00:36:38.230
the conceptualization of when we start the project

00:36:38.230 --> 00:36:40.949
and to the finish, to the end, because each episode

00:36:40.949 --> 00:36:44.250
gets better. along the way anyway, because you're

00:36:44.250 --> 00:36:45.730
thinking in real time, okay, I could do this,

00:36:45.869 --> 00:36:49.050
I could do that, and there's all these human

00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:52.130
creative elements that you add to it, and also

00:36:52.130 --> 00:36:55.889
showcasing personality through projects. You

00:36:55.889 --> 00:36:58.730
can see people's personality through, and it

00:36:58.730 --> 00:37:01.570
can be captured through photography, videography,

00:37:02.289 --> 00:37:03.889
and I don't think AI is really going to be able

00:37:03.889 --> 00:37:06.869
to do that, one, because it's not human, so it's

00:37:06.869 --> 00:37:08.550
not going to be able to relate, oh, here, we're

00:37:08.550 --> 00:37:10.750
kind of brought to you, right? It doesn't have

00:37:10.750 --> 00:37:17.530
a soul. It is come for sure, you know if you

00:37:17.530 --> 00:37:21.570
use it and you need to use it but It's not it's

00:37:21.570 --> 00:37:23.630
not like a regular person that we can just go

00:37:23.630 --> 00:37:27.929
ahead and you know Capture that moment, you know

00:37:27.929 --> 00:37:34.650
No, it does not does not have any villains So

00:37:34.650 --> 00:37:37.590
moving forward and growing your business but

00:37:37.590 --> 00:37:43.170
also being an author and creator How are you

00:37:43.170 --> 00:37:46.010
going to balance the time now? Because now you

00:37:46.010 --> 00:37:48.530
got photography, you got media work that you

00:37:48.530 --> 00:37:53.550
were doing, and also your book. How are you going

00:37:53.550 --> 00:38:01.510
to maximize and balance that? The way I do it

00:38:01.510 --> 00:38:07.260
is, you know, you work. you set time and schedule

00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:10.219
to sit down and actually plan out. So I actually

00:38:10.219 --> 00:38:12.559
sit down and plan out what I'm going to do this

00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:16.079
day for this many hours and then the next day.

00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:18.179
I'm not going to do that project. I'm going to

00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:22.659
do a different project that day and just have

00:38:22.659 --> 00:38:26.360
a certain date set in your mind to where this

00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.099
is going to be the cutoff date of where I need

00:38:28.099 --> 00:38:33.090
to finish this date by. But you have to make

00:38:33.090 --> 00:38:35.269
sure that you don't overlap the other project

00:38:35.269 --> 00:38:40.530
on that same day. So that's what I do. I try

00:38:40.530 --> 00:38:43.530
to make sure that I have time for everything

00:38:43.530 --> 00:38:47.409
within certain days. Because if you just try

00:38:47.409 --> 00:38:49.909
to do it all in one day, you're just going to

00:38:49.909 --> 00:38:51.989
rush through it. You're not going to really put

00:38:51.989 --> 00:38:55.909
the time and effort and the success that you

00:38:55.909 --> 00:39:00.119
want in that project. Do you feel like your book

00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.260
has been successful to you? Yes, I'm actually

00:39:04.260 --> 00:39:07.079
about to start writing another one, but it's

00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:14.079
not going to do 2030 because I want to be a little

00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:18.980
bit more older than what I am now. And I'm probably,

00:39:18.980 --> 00:39:25.929
you know, things done and success wise. How do

00:39:25.929 --> 00:39:28.429
you define success? What is success in a certain

00:39:28.429 --> 00:39:43.130
community? Success is agents. Success is achievement,

00:39:45.369 --> 00:39:58.269
goals, process. It's it's a lot for me. I definitely

00:39:58.269 --> 00:40:07.570
Something that you're trying to achieve How has

00:40:07.570 --> 00:40:11.090
social media helped you in putting your services

00:40:11.090 --> 00:40:14.969
out there and also with the promotion of your

00:40:14.969 --> 00:40:25.920
book? Social media has a lot of Opportunities.

00:40:26.820 --> 00:40:29.239
In some cases, it can be good. In some cases,

00:40:29.260 --> 00:40:38.880
it can be bad. For us, for me, different, like

00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.420
I said, opportunities. I've had different people

00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:44.840
reach out to me once they saw my work and what

00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:49.900
I do. That's when I, you know, levels can go

00:40:49.900 --> 00:41:00.840
up for as the people. Yeah You can run into bad

00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:08.219
people that you don't want to get into Or you

00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:09.920
can get caught up in something that you don't

00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:20.219
want to be caught up in Predators all that Yeah,

00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:23.219
it's a business honor when it comes to consumers

00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:28.380
in social media Do you think it's fair for? Consumers

00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.920
to post negative reviews about their experience

00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:35.659
with a business one. I Mean, I think it's valid.

00:41:35.659 --> 00:41:40.760
I mean, you know this See, this is a thing in

00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.780
this world. We have to accept We have to accept

00:41:45.780 --> 00:41:50.210
good You can't control that So there's gonna

00:41:50.210 --> 00:41:53.210
be people that's gonna say negative stuff. And

00:41:53.210 --> 00:41:55.510
if people believe it, then hey, they do. And

00:41:55.510 --> 00:41:57.650
if they don't, then, you know, it's better for

00:41:57.650 --> 00:42:00.530
them and better for you, you know? I mean, we

00:42:00.530 --> 00:42:03.949
could always try to block that person out, whoever

00:42:03.949 --> 00:42:08.489
that is doing that negative review. I just think

00:42:08.489 --> 00:42:12.530
of more of, you know, it's better to have bad

00:42:12.530 --> 00:42:17.190
than to have good. I know that might sound crazy.

00:42:17.369 --> 00:42:20.170
But I'm saying as far as like review wise, I

00:42:20.170 --> 00:42:22.489
mean, yes, there's going to be people that say,

00:42:22.650 --> 00:42:24.690
you know, oh, well, she's a horrible person and

00:42:24.690 --> 00:42:26.789
now, you know, she didn't give me good quality

00:42:26.789 --> 00:42:31.210
wise and okay, but another person come, their

00:42:31.210 --> 00:42:36.050
experience is totally different. So I think to

00:42:36.050 --> 00:42:39.389
have good reviews and bad reviews, good and bad

00:42:39.389 --> 00:42:43.750
is, you know, I think it's okay. But I know some

00:42:43.750 --> 00:42:45.989
other people might not probably don't say, okay,

00:42:46.130 --> 00:42:52.530
well, It's not OK. But you also you learn from

00:42:52.530 --> 00:42:55.429
that. You know what I mean? Yeah. If a person

00:42:55.429 --> 00:42:58.929
just have all good and not necessarily any bad,

00:42:58.929 --> 00:43:05.170
negative things to say, then. I mean, that means

00:43:05.170 --> 00:43:08.989
you're not for me wise, you're not growing. Yeah.

00:43:10.329 --> 00:43:15.989
Because you think you just highly and you just

00:43:15.989 --> 00:43:19.900
perfect. because nobody's not perfect. Exactly.

00:43:21.500 --> 00:43:24.619
How is the metro line on market for you as it

00:43:24.619 --> 00:43:27.840
comes to other photographers, videographers,

00:43:28.179 --> 00:43:31.559
collaboration projects in their nature? What's

00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:38.179
been your experience? So I actually, it was one

00:43:38.179 --> 00:43:44.480
session that I had, and I ran into another photographer.

00:43:45.150 --> 00:43:49.150
And what was so crazy to me was I didn't get

00:43:49.150 --> 00:43:53.289
myself upset about it. But I know we're all trying

00:43:53.289 --> 00:43:58.130
to make our money. We all trying to pay our bills

00:43:58.130 --> 00:44:02.230
and whatever else that we got going on. But it

00:44:02.230 --> 00:44:07.369
was a session to where my client, she had to

00:44:07.369 --> 00:44:10.670
take a break and she had swapped out her clothes.

00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.079
And once she walked out her clothes and she got

00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:18.920
to where the, she was going to where our session

00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:22.940
was gonna be at, our location. Now I'm just waiting

00:44:22.940 --> 00:44:27.539
for her to come out and I see a photographer

00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:30.380
pass by me. So, you know, I'm just thinking,

00:44:30.380 --> 00:44:32.639
you know, it's a public place. So I can't really,

00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.099
you know, tell him, oh, he can't be here, whatever

00:44:35.099 --> 00:44:39.570
case can be. When my client comes out and start

00:44:39.570 --> 00:44:43.750
walking to where we decide to have her pictures

00:44:43.750 --> 00:44:48.289
taken at This guy comes up in front of me and

00:44:48.289 --> 00:44:51.869
just start taking pictures of her Wow, this client

00:44:51.869 --> 00:44:55.550
Is pretty much like changing or whatever they

00:44:55.550 --> 00:44:58.210
got going on and I'm not gonna lie I wanted to

00:44:58.210 --> 00:45:01.650
say something to them and I'm like dude I'm trying

00:45:01.650 --> 00:45:03.869
to steal my client from me whatever you know,

00:45:04.110 --> 00:45:07.710
but I didn't say that I just looked at him, and

00:45:07.710 --> 00:45:10.670
then I'm like, okay, I see what he's doing. And

00:45:10.670 --> 00:45:13.150
then I see, you know, he tried to promote himself

00:45:13.150 --> 00:45:19.710
out there too, to try to get her to get business

00:45:19.710 --> 00:45:23.190
with him. So was he pitching, actively pitching

00:45:23.190 --> 00:45:27.349
while you were trying to shoot her? Not quite,

00:45:27.389 --> 00:45:30.309
but we were almost about to get to that point.

00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.380
Yeah. I'm like, professional courtesy, like,

00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:35.960
you know what I'm saying? He saw you doing a

00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.340
job or whatever, so... Yeah. He saw my life set

00:45:39.340 --> 00:45:41.539
up. He saw everything that I had set up for.

00:45:42.539 --> 00:45:45.820
And he's taking pictures of somebody else, and

00:45:45.820 --> 00:45:48.360
then they had to take a quick break. And once

00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:50.719
my client come back out, he's just, like, snapping

00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.480
away, taking pictures of my stuff. And I know

00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.519
he is, because I can tell the angle that he was

00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.400
taking a picture of. I saw his screen, his camera.

00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:05.340
I can't hide that. So... Yeah. Okay. I see what

00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:11.460
he's doing. And then when I had to go, I had

00:46:11.460 --> 00:46:13.400
to get something out of my car and I had came

00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.380
back and she was like, she was completely fine.

00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:17.760
She was like, okay, you know, it's okay if you

00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.820
don't have a car, whatever. I was like, okay.

00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:23.920
I go back and come back up to where she is. And

00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:26.059
there he goes, trying to talk to her, trying

00:46:26.059 --> 00:46:28.460
to promote his business and stuff like that.

00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:33.230
So while I'm already there, He saw me and then

00:46:33.230 --> 00:46:36.210
he just slowly walked away and I'm like, okay

00:46:36.210 --> 00:46:38.230
I see what he doing and so while I was taking

00:46:38.230 --> 00:46:40.690
pictures of her and you know talking with her

00:46:40.690 --> 00:46:43.190
He was like, oh, you know, he was just trying

00:46:43.190 --> 00:46:46.469
to promote himself and you know, whatever she

00:46:46.469 --> 00:46:51.710
heard what he said to her but This this the thing

00:46:51.710 --> 00:46:59.300
You always have to have Clients that One I mean,

00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:00.880
yeah, they could be honest whatever they can

00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.940
be, you know to you but more of a dialogue talk

00:47:04.940 --> 00:47:08.860
with them And you have that relationship starting

00:47:08.860 --> 00:47:13.179
to have that relationship with them and that's

00:47:13.179 --> 00:47:16.940
Where I came about with this client? She trusted

00:47:16.940 --> 00:47:21.500
me with her stuff As him he just came to talk

00:47:21.500 --> 00:47:25.320
But she don't really know him like that. Yeah,

00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:28.900
and that's where She's like, you know what? She

00:47:28.900 --> 00:47:32.980
ain't even want nothing to do with him. Because

00:47:32.980 --> 00:47:36.500
she's seen my work and maybe he probably showed

00:47:36.500 --> 00:47:39.260
some work to her while I was gone or whatever.

00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:48.440
But it's the relationship. So you have people

00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:51.300
that's comfortable with you versus somebody else

00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:55.090
that's trying to push their business out. And

00:47:55.090 --> 00:47:56.309
as I had to learn I was like, you know what?

00:47:56.429 --> 00:47:57.590
I was gonna say something to him but something

00:47:57.590 --> 00:47:59.670
told me, you know, just forget about it. It's

00:47:59.670 --> 00:48:03.889
okay. Don't say nothing. It sounds like you're

00:48:03.889 --> 00:48:05.269
fine. You know what I'm saying? I was talking

00:48:05.269 --> 00:48:09.650
for you. As far as like, you know, yeah, I think

00:48:09.650 --> 00:48:11.650
that's rude. It's truly rude to do something

00:48:11.650 --> 00:48:14.170
like that. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

00:48:14.250 --> 00:48:16.849
I was like, man, what? He over here bothering

00:48:16.849 --> 00:48:19.150
you? Over here talking about his business and

00:48:19.150 --> 00:48:21.429
we already about to do something? Yeah, I just

00:48:21.429 --> 00:48:24.579
think that's rude one. it drew a couple of different

00:48:24.579 --> 00:48:29.880
ways. One, he already had a client that he took,

00:48:30.139 --> 00:48:33.559
like that client paid him to be attentive to

00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:36.760
them, right? Right. And what they're doing, regardless

00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:38.719
of them changing outfits or whatever they're

00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:40.260
doing, he's still supposed to be on alert and

00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:45.380
be attentive to them. Exactly. So you basically

00:48:45.380 --> 00:48:47.940
have to pay to poke somebody else? I'm like,

00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:51.719
cool. And that's what the greed of people They're

00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.599
just thinking about money, money, money, money,

00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.579
money, money, money. I mean, yes, money is good,

00:48:55.579 --> 00:49:00.320
but also money can be bad. In the way you do

00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.679
about things, in the way he did, that was a bad

00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.619
situation. Yeah. Now, if I wasn't the person

00:49:06.619 --> 00:49:10.840
that I am, I would have, I would have did something,

00:49:11.019 --> 00:49:14.619
told him off or something else. But sometimes,

00:49:14.619 --> 00:49:17.199
you know, people just have to, they got to learn.

00:49:17.980 --> 00:49:23.099
Yeah, they do. I've ran into different situations

00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:26.039
because now with, you know, podcasting, I've

00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.619
learned how to do videography things and that

00:49:28.619 --> 00:49:31.980
skill set. And I think it's very interesting

00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:34.360
when I got up here because I've been up here

00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.260
for going on, it'll be two years in June. Okay.

00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:43.239
And I have come across horror stories where people

00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:47.840
have, especially videographers, have shot content

00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.320
with clients. But the clients didn't get anything.

00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:55.619
They paid these invoices, but the footage was

00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:58.119
lost. I'm trying to figure out how do you lose

00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:00.780
footage? Because all my footage goes on external

00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:06.579
hard drives. Right. And then they take extremely

00:50:06.579 --> 00:50:10.139
long time to produce whatever they're working

00:50:10.139 --> 00:50:14.760
on. Like one lady is telling me it was in a month.

00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.360
that she gave to the person to work on just one

00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:21.099
day of shooting some goddamn with her. That was

00:50:21.099 --> 00:50:23.679
like a month. Personally, I don't take a long

00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:27.440
time to hit it. Just one day, you get a whole

00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.179
month. But then I also didn't have the footage.

00:50:31.739 --> 00:50:35.480
I was like, it's crazy. I talked to another person

00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.800
who was doing like a documentary type style thing.

00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.539
They lost the footage. I was like, how do you

00:50:43.539 --> 00:50:48.769
lose footage? What stories have you heard from,

00:50:48.769 --> 00:50:52.150
I guess, clients or just in general within, you

00:50:52.150 --> 00:50:56.389
know, videography or photography industry? Yes,

00:50:56.550 --> 00:51:01.789
I've heard about two, but I haven't really, you

00:51:01.789 --> 00:51:05.730
know, actually experienced that with, you know,

00:51:06.090 --> 00:51:09.710
myself or any other client sales that I have,

00:51:09.929 --> 00:51:13.599
but other people have heard about two. possibly,

00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.699
but that's about it. I don't really run into

00:51:16.699 --> 00:51:21.179
people that do stuff like that. Yeah. I just

00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:23.599
think that that's insane. But especially when

00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:28.800
they pay, I'll be livid, too. It's just I think

00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.400
the thing is, like I said, people are more focused

00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:36.960
on money wise. They're not focused on their clientele,

00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:41.340
but also they're not focused on, you know, what

00:51:41.340 --> 00:51:46.170
may happen. for their future. Because then now

00:51:46.170 --> 00:51:48.590
with that happening, you're pushing a lot of

00:51:48.590 --> 00:51:53.289
clients away. And then maybe for your future.

00:51:54.469 --> 00:51:57.389
So, you know, you can't be doing stuff like that.

00:51:58.449 --> 00:52:02.349
And then sometimes I don't think people put themselves

00:52:02.349 --> 00:52:05.829
in their shoes. A lot of people don't think about

00:52:05.829 --> 00:52:09.070
that. What if this was you? Somebody recorded

00:52:09.070 --> 00:52:12.579
you and then Oh, they said they lost it if something

00:52:12.579 --> 00:52:16.159
happened to your video. And then you get mad

00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:18.880
about it. And then you gonna try to sue them

00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:23.880
like they did to you. People just don't, people

00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:26.079
really, I really think people just don't think

00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:30.440
about the extra after effect. Yeah. I think that

00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.699
some people shouldn't go into business when they

00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:36.360
don't think about all aspects of business and

00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.679
everything that goes into it. Exactly. And then

00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.940
I've had the experience where people will do

00:52:43.940 --> 00:52:47.619
similar things that I'm doing, and they'll give

00:52:47.619 --> 00:52:52.400
the client a bad experience. So then when I'm

00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.420
talking to them, because I've done similar things

00:52:55.420 --> 00:52:59.079
as far as services that I offer, they already

00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.039
have that negative connotation experience that

00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.599
they had, so it makes it harder to sell them

00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.400
on something. and for them to take, you know

00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:08.440
what I'm saying, I guess that quote unquote,

00:53:08.619 --> 00:53:12.980
that chance on someone new is right to move everybody

00:53:12.980 --> 00:53:17.980
and group everybody together. Not sell them like,

00:53:18.300 --> 00:53:20.340
hey, look, I understand that you've had experience,

00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.059
you've had a horrible experience with someone

00:53:22.059 --> 00:53:25.460
else, but look at it like this. You go to one

00:53:25.460 --> 00:53:27.280
gas station and you have a bad experience, it

00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.199
don't stop you from going to the other gas station.

00:53:31.050 --> 00:53:34.530
So look at it that way, and don't group everybody

00:53:34.530 --> 00:53:38.809
who does these similar services or offer these

00:53:38.809 --> 00:53:41.550
similar services together. Don't group them all

00:53:41.550 --> 00:53:43.650
together, as that's what your overall experience

00:53:43.650 --> 00:53:49.110
is going to be. It is all individual based. There's

00:53:49.110 --> 00:53:52.409
no collection of, hey, all these videographers

00:53:52.409 --> 00:53:55.570
and photographers will perform this particular

00:53:55.570 --> 00:53:59.550
thing. It's about be connected with. And what

00:53:59.550 --> 00:54:05.550
that person's business ethics or how they view

00:54:05.550 --> 00:54:10.510
business is the details and the experience you're

00:54:10.510 --> 00:54:16.710
going to have with them. Right. So for any new

00:54:16.710 --> 00:54:22.449
aspiring photographers, authors, videographers,

00:54:23.309 --> 00:54:25.789
what's like two pieces of advice you can give

00:54:25.789 --> 00:54:28.869
them before they really jump into the industry

00:54:28.869 --> 00:54:30.969
or if there's just no brand new to the industry.

00:54:32.329 --> 00:54:37.250
My advice is if you're gonna do it, you need

00:54:37.250 --> 00:54:43.429
to do it. The time, the patience, the work, you

00:54:43.429 --> 00:54:47.550
gotta do it. There's no easy way around stuff.

00:54:48.030 --> 00:54:50.670
You gotta put the time and the work into it.

00:54:50.909 --> 00:54:52.650
Because if you don't have the time and work for

00:54:52.650 --> 00:54:56.219
it, don't do it. I like that. I might be too

00:54:56.219 --> 00:54:58.960
harsh about saying that but I'm just saying what

00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.260
it is. No, I don't think that's harsh at all.

00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.820
I think that's actually real because it allows

00:55:03.820 --> 00:55:05.860
the people who really want to do it to do it

00:55:05.860 --> 00:55:11.360
and then to offer to the industry good experiences

00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:13.940
so therefore people who are paying for these

00:55:13.940 --> 00:55:17.059
services have these good experiences and they

00:55:17.059 --> 00:55:20.760
continue to hire professionals in the industry

00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.000
even if they go from person to person. which

00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:28.239
is fine. So for everyone out there who's going

00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:31.039
to watch and listen in, they want to check out

00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:35.139
your work, they want to purchase your book, where

00:55:35.139 --> 00:55:37.940
do they need to be directed? They can go to purchase

00:55:37.940 --> 00:55:41.880
my book, A Journey of Resilience by Patrice.

00:55:41.940 --> 00:55:45.119
You can just type that in on Amazon. And my photography

00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.780
business is called Sydney Vision Photography.

00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:52.099
You can type that in in Google and my social

00:55:52.099 --> 00:55:56.550
media pop -up. and my website, but also too,

00:55:56.550 --> 00:56:00.969
if you'd like, you can go to my personal Instagram

00:56:00.969 --> 00:56:05.670
account at TheRealPatriceHudson underscore and

00:56:05.670 --> 00:56:09.050
everything will be in my bio. So y 'all heard

00:56:09.050 --> 00:56:12.889
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00:56:12.889 --> 00:56:17.349
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00:56:17.349 --> 00:56:19.309
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00:56:19.309 --> 00:56:21.769
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00:56:21.889 --> 00:56:25.329
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00:56:25.329 --> 00:56:27.849
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00:56:27.989 --> 00:56:31.010
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00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.860
I appreciate it. Thank you for having me. You

00:56:52.860 --> 00:56:53.599
are welcome.