Macon on The Move: Santrell Davis on infrastructure vs. Mindset

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Hey y 'all, we're tuning in for another episode

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of Bankedoutt Radio Show. This is Music and Business

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Talk, and we have a person who's been in the

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industry and has a business that goes along with

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industry, not a stranger to the show. I believe

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it's your second time on. We have, I call him

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the goat. Hey, I appreciate it. I appreciate

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it. I actually think this is our third interview.

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Is it? I know me and my partner, me and Ricardo,

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me and Ricardo did one, and I think me and you

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did one solo as well? I can't remember, you know.

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That's how, you know, good times, you know what

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I'm saying? Good times are fine. For sure. But,

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Central, thank you for, you know, taking the

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time out of your busy day to come through again.

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So I want to get into it. There's a lot of stuff

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we can talk about. But I want to get into, like,

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One, for everyone who doesn't know out there,

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you're a filmmaker, director, videographer, I

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would say producer, executive producer, editor.

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What other title would you give yourself as a

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creator? Definitely artist, you know? I just

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like being bundled up as an artist. Just taking

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the elements and bringing ideas. into the real

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world. Or you could call me an alchemist. Mmm.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Central to alchemists. Yeah,

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the alchemists, right? Make order out of chaos.

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If you got an idea and you want it structured

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and brought to life, I'm the guy that comes in.

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That's what's up. So, I know you mentioned it

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the last time, but for those who don't remember

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or, you know, those who are new, because I have

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been collecting some new audiences here, especially

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in the Metro Atlanta area. So shout out to everybody

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out there who've been tuning in and watching

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out on different episodes, but you got started

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in videography way back when. When I'm running

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around with my iPhone 5, but like I bought my

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first 4K digital camera 2020. Was that the year

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that I got you to do those three different videos?

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No, that was before. So that was probably more

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like 2018. So you've been professional since

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2018 because that was a paid gig. For sure. You're

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the first person to pay me. I always tell people

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that, man. And that's what I like about you the

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most. Not the fact that you paid me, but you're

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a person that can really see talent in its raw

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form. Most people cannot appreciate art until

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it's on a certain level, right? So to be able

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to have the taste to appreciate art and see something

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before it's all the way in its polished form,

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that is a really good skill that a lot of people

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don't have. You know what? Now that you mention

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it, that's what it is. Because I've done that

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with just recording artists, visual artists,

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yourself as a creator, other creators, and bringing

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light to a lot of people who didn't have that

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light. And then after the light is brought to

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them, it gives them, I would say, the confidence

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to go and pursue more. For sure. And to really

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understand that they have value in the beginning.

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For sure. Tons of people have origin stories

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with you. You know what, I should put together

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like an origin story book or something. That

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would be for a video or something. See, you are

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alchemist as well. Yeah. Always out here creating

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out of chaos. Yeah. So you started out with the

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videos. You were doing the sports videos at first.

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Yeah, I actually first very first it was music

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in the time Because I remember it was me Jerry's

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School. Mm -hmm. Oh, so we had a happy grinding

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movement. We were my little cousin Yup. Yup.

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J Flame, you know, all of us were kind of goodie

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supreme. You know, so like I said, that was like

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really in the real origin, you know, before we

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even kind of know what we're doing. And then

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we really moved into the sports videos that was,

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you know, kind of next right up there. It's all

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kind of right there together. You know, I knew

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that where we are today with everybody having

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a camera. And video being like the front of everybody.

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I could see that like 2017. I knew it would be

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like it is today. So I tell my partner Rico all

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the time. I say, you know, I maybe not have accomplished

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everything to the point that I want to right

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now, but I always feel good about making that

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choice to pick up that camera. I feel like I

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was right. about where I saw marketing and film

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going. Yeah, no, no, you are right about that.

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And then, like, you know what I'm saying, to

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piggyback on what you said as far as, like, you

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know, where you want to be, I just think it's

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a matter of time before you get there. For sure.

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Like, it's not if, it's when. Definitely when,

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yeah. It's when. You know, it's an action word

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because you're telling it alone. Like, again,

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you said have a knack for seeing the raw talent.

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you've been able to polish that raw talent into

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the potential of what it is. And plus you have

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even more to go. And I think you're light years

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away from a lot of people right now. And then

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you have even more to go because you always want

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to grow. You always want to keep ascending and

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ascending. Do you feel like You have like, you

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know set a I guess a precipice in the area in

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the middle Georgia area For like yeah videos

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have no sense supposed to be presented for sure

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I definitely feel I'm a part of it, you know

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along with Tony fair along with visual artist

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Jay along with BP, along with Cinnamon Sultan.

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Like right now, I feel like Cinnamon Sultan is

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raising the bar on music videos right now, you

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know, just with the AI graphics and the color

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grading. You know, Cinnamon Sultan has just dropped

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some visuals here recently that have been higher,

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you know, than what the standard was, you know.

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So he's raised the bar. But yeah, I definitely

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feel like I was a part of that, especially with

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the sports videos, putting them in 4K. You know,

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a lot of people were filming, shout out to Ron,

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ball so hard, who's still doing it and carrying

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that mantle now. But we were one of the first

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people to like put the kids in 4K, you know.

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And my biggest thing with that at that time was

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It wasn't even so much about the sports my approach

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like run like he does more highlight them College

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tape like which is really useful helping the

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kids get recruited And seen so he's a we got

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to protect them at all costs in the community

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But my angle was really more about community

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and psychology Yeah, I was really trying to make

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kids and people invested in two sports, wanna

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get out there and play and also feel cool and

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look cool without being a rapper. Yes. So like

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my sports highlights films were like music videos.

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If you go back and look and some people found

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on that at first, right? But it wasn't for them.

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It was for the kids. I wanted those little boys

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to get that dopamine without having to be a rapper.

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Yeah. Yeah. I feel there's a lot of, you know,

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I'm not saying that people shouldn't rap, but

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I think, you know, I'm saying it's like one of

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those things that people just run to to like,

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you know, try to build a platform. And then I

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just actually got to watching like Cam Newton

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talk about something. But one of the things that

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he said was we were talking about like signing

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bonuses and not it. You don't have to think about

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being a rapper. You just got to be disciplined.

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And when you're disciplining something, especially

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with sports, and you get the right opportunities,

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the right looks, you can really build upon that.

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And you can get way more money. You can get way

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more opportunities because sports is universal.

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For sure. It'll take you all over the country

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and all over the world. Yep. Rapping per se,

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you know what I'm saying, won't necessarily do

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that in that same realm. Yep. Yep. Like, you

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know, funny contracts and all that stuff, whatever,

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when it comes to the music side. Yeah. Well.

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you're doing the sports and then you're doing

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the music videos and then we start jumping into

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movies. Yeah movies so yeah definitely man so

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all of that definitely feel like we are part

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of just setting that standard like our first

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movie trust issues you know I feel like we set

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the standard you know like you know of course

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it's not million dollar budget look Hollywood

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film but from an independent film standpoint

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you know hey, you need to come like this or better.

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And then going into our second field, loyalty

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over blood. Like you said, going higher, improving,

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that was my only goal. Like it has to be better

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for my end production than the last field. Like

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every time I shoot or be a part of a project,

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I just want to get better, you know? And I'm

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definitely always thinking about the culture.

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You know at one point that's why I blanked out

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my picture on Facebook because I was hearing

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some things some people were saying And I was

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like dang y 'all missing it about me because

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it's never been about me. I'm not a person that

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Needs self -promotion, you know, i'm just not

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that kind of person like when I create and when

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I do stuff I'm really am thinking about the culture

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and the person that i'm filming for you know

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or filming with Like my business partner, he

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really critiqued me about that a lot. Like, bro,

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you gotta put yourself first sometimes. You know,

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but sometimes, you know, from the outside looking

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in, people see things, hear things, and they

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don't really understand. No, I definitely get

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that. So let's dive into that just a little bit

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more. Then I want to circle back to the actual,

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like, time frame of Loyalty Over Blood. For sure.

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So when you build a platform, like I learned,

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right, building the platform, you're not doing

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it for yourself, you're doing it for the community,

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right? But then people attach that, I guess,

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sometimes stigmatism or put you on a pedestal

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or whatever the case may be. How do you keep

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the balance and keep the narrative of this is

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for the culture and there's a bigger mission

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here at hand as opposed to people trying to dial

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it back to the person? Following the principles

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man. Do your best to not Selfishly self promote

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yourself Let your work speak for itself and let

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other people praise you Don't go around calling

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yourself to go Don't go around calling yourself

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the best and can't nobody fuck with me at all

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these things people like to go into so to keep

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yourself grounded and keep it focused on the

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mission, do your best not to self promote yourself

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in a selfish way, right? You got to promote yourself,

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you know, marketing and advertising. But I think

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we all understand the difference in the line

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between marketing advertising and ego self promotion.

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Yes. So to me, that's what I always try to stick

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to. Even when it's itching me, you know, and

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I want to pop it. I just try to do my best, man,

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to woo -sah and just try to put that energy on

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putting forward good product in the marketplace.

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No, I definitely understand that. You know, we're

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all human. We want to be. recognize for the hard

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work that we do and accomplish and just having

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a vision. I've noticed that, and I don't know,

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let's see if you see this too, when it comes

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to just being a creative and collaborating and

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getting people on a one accord, right? Yeah.

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I'll preach this, you preach this. We have similarities

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with how we look at stuff. We get a lot of people

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involved and we're the, we come up with the mission.

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and the vision and we pull people and plug them

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in, right? Yep. And we want people to do their

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part as well. So like pushing and stuff like

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that, because collectively we'll all win. Yep.

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Even individually we'll win collectively, individually.

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I don't know if that makes sense to some people,

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but it happens. I keep seeing the same thing

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for the last couple of years. And I keep seeing

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it where creators, visionaries, they're having

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a problem with getting people on board. And here

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it is still is now 2026, and there still seems

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to be an issue with people coming together. Why

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do you think that? Do you see this for one? Because

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I don't want to be presumptuous. No. But if you

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see this, why do you think this still is? Because

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I'm talking about this stuff 10 years ago. You're

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talking about this stuff 10 years ago and plus.

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First and foremost, I think that's one of. you

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know my slip down skills like I come from business

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sales background like us you like yourself so

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you know working the film set dealing with people

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it's a lot of leadership and sales involved that

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is not filming and editing that is going into

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the workflow the filming and editing that probably

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nobody ever pays attention to you know like you

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say being able just to manage a hundred people

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in the movie you know, and keep them motivated.

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Or even the person I'm working with, like let's

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just say the executive producer, Lloyd's Old

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Blood Lock Dog, you know, and just being able

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to give him advice and advise him just on the

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people management part. So just getting everybody

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to work together definitely is a skill and a

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hurdle. Why is that so hard? I think just because

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it's the age old saying, everybody want to be

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a chief. Nobody want to be an Indian and then

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I'm gonna say this and this is soundbite for

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making We got a gang banging Because people bring

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gang banging to everything So it because y 'all

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feel group over here y 'all feel group over here

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y 'all feel group over here Everybody want to

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be a chief right when the model is like we all

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following Detroit, right? Detroit set the standard

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for independent film. Nobody would be doing independent

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film if it went from the pioneers in Detroit.

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Basically, you know, they put this on the forefront

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with 2B. And them people been doing movies before

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2B, you know. And if we look at their model,

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they take the best editor. He works on everybody

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film. They take the best production crew. he

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they work on everybody feel they take the best

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actors and actresses they're in everybody feel

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right so you gotta I mean you don't have to you

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know but if you care about winning and all I

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want to do is win that's what I'm saying I don't

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care about self -promotion because I've been

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praised for a long time you know as a kid like

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you know so winning is all I care about and teamwork

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is the key to winning you know so we got to ask

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ourselves like Westmoreland you having your name

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first or winning your ultimate goal you know

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and so that's how I feel you know we everybody

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want to be a chief nobody really want to be an

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Indian everybody wants to build their own ship

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and that's cool nothing wrong with that but I

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think a lot of times we need to come together

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actually create a pot where we can have something

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to eat right and then once you have an overflow

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you can take some food home yeah but if everybody

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if we all just you know starting from zero everybody

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and then in making this what i'm singing man

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that's what i said you brought up a good topic

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you know and this might get me in trouble i don't

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know but everybody know i'm gonna be honest right

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and they know i mean well but even with like

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support that's what i'm saying we gangbang you

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know it's like okay if you support them you can't

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support them over here you know and i know it's

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like that because when i see people in person

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They'd be like, oh yeah, boy, I love that, you

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know? And I'd be like, well, why you don't support

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me online? You know, where we can actually make

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some money and do some business. Why do you have

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to be a closet fan? I don't know where that mentality

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comes from as far as being a closet fan because

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I support everybody. And it's dope. I don't care

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who did it. They don't have to be from my crew.

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Exactly. But people, and I'm sure it's not just

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making. It's just anywhere. You know what I'm

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saying? It's just the nature of people. Like

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I said, people get anybody. You know what I'm

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saying? If you ain't with my crew, or if I don't

00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:10.180
know you, I'm not doing nothing to probably promote

00:19:10.180 --> 00:19:20.220
you in public. But you will see me in... I don't

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know, but that's my take on it. I think everybody

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wanna be a chief. Nobody really wanna follow,

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but every good leader knows how to follow. And

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I think that's another one of my attributes that

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I hang my hat on is that I know I can lead and

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be in the front, but I have no problem being

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number two. I'm like at the end of the day like

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I don't know if people really want those responsibilities

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of being a leader 100 percent 24 7 And I don't

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think that's the people don't that's what people

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don't talk about I'm like when you're always

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constantly in front people are always looking

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for the answer Yes, sometimes as a good leader,

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you know, you will never have the answer all

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the time. Yep That's why you keep a cabinet of

00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:09.259
you know people around you that has their expertise

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in area So you can get that information and then

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make the best decision possible for the mission

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going forward. Yep. And even going back to the

00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:20.599
point, everybody wants to, you know what I'm

00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:22.579
saying, build their own like solo, right? Cool.

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Yeah. Like you said, people, everybody want to

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build their own ship. Yeah. But why not sail

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in the ocean together? Come on. You know what

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I'm saying? Why not? You know what I'm saying?

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Pull this one. Would you rather be on a canoe

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in the ocean or the Titanic? Well, the Titanic

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probably a bad example, right? Well, yeah, I

00:20:39.180 --> 00:20:40.720
get what you're saying, though. Yeah, I get what

00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:42.720
you're saying, though. I get what you're saying.

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You're on a bigger hill there. You're in the

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ocean. So I interview other podcast hosts and

00:20:49.819 --> 00:20:52.980
talk about their platform. I'm like, why not?

00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:56.940
Because it's an industry. I don't have the market

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on that, nor does anyone. No one has the market

00:21:00.220 --> 00:21:03.630
on the actual game itself. Nobody. Right. Nobody.

00:21:03.769 --> 00:21:05.329
I don't care what industry it is. The pie is

00:21:05.329 --> 00:21:08.549
unlimited. Exactly. It's unlimited. The pie is

00:21:08.549 --> 00:21:13.869
unlimited. So, I don't know, I just hope, you

00:21:13.869 --> 00:21:16.410
know, people, because there's so much talent

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in making Middle Georgia area. For sure. I just

00:21:19.269 --> 00:21:22.089
wanted to like get together and these conversations

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shouldn't keep being had years and years and

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years later. It's like each decade the same stuff.

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and it's historical it's even beyond modern times

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like it's like that that chief indian analogy

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comes from antiquity right that's those are our

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ancestors right everybody had different tribe

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and the tribes beefed with each other and that's

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why the colonizers were able to come in and conquer

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so easily because we were already had silos right?

00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:03.059
Well, I don't like this tribe over here. Okay,

00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:06.480
you got some bulls. I'll take the bulls and show

00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.180
you where to go get them tribes over there that

00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:12.740
I don't deal with anyway, you know? And so now,

00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.000
through colonization and all of that, we've all

00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.920
been mendered and genetically, tribally, we all

00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:23.779
come from different tribes, essentially. And

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so, I think that plays a part too, is that we

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have just had a problem of the vision within

00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:36.240
our family for a very long time yeah nothing

00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.779
of them take a huge effort though to be able

00:22:38.779 --> 00:22:41.980
to bring us back because so let's get into business

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right as far as numbers and i want everybody

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to understand this i recently looked up just

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in the state of georgia okay no ai searching

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out of stuff black owned businesses their annual

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their net worth sorry not any of it net worth

00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.380
fifty eight thousand dollars on average right

00:23:04.380 --> 00:23:08.519
our killing average black business is worth fifty

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eight thousand thousand yes in the state of georgia

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you see what i'm saying canoes bro canoe but

00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:19.779
here's the other side guess how much our counterparts

00:23:19.779 --> 00:23:24.460
work net average two three million it is six

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hundred thousand On average, yeah, we talk about

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okay. So let me preface it small businesses Yeah,

00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:32.619
yeah, we know that small businesses, you know

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I'm saying about a federal guidelines could be

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up for like 22 million dollars or whatever for

00:23:36.700 --> 00:23:40.700
sure But just think though if our small businesses

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that we had Were worth six hundred thousand dollars

00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.079
just in value with one another right and then

00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:51.619
we did business with one another Yeah, then the

00:23:51.619 --> 00:23:54.910
economic impact of this Yep. We're constantly

00:23:54.910 --> 00:23:58.349
employing one another to do stuff to satisfy

00:23:58.349 --> 00:24:01.150
the needs of the business to get to bigger levels.

00:24:01.769 --> 00:24:05.529
We will have this infrastructure to where we

00:24:05.529 --> 00:24:12.789
can do a lot. Yep. Yep. Nah, 100%. 100%. I'm

00:24:12.789 --> 00:24:15.730
like, it's just, you know, that's just capital.

00:24:15.970 --> 00:24:19.250
We also like when you Google the paying points

00:24:19.250 --> 00:24:24.279
of black owned businesses, mentorship. access

00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:26.140
to quality, you know what I'm saying, mentors

00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:29.759
and events, like how many people are actually

00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:33.319
going out to like you work in film, right? So

00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:35.359
there are film festivals, there are conferences

00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:37.500
that y 'all go to, you know what I'm saying,

00:24:37.700 --> 00:24:40.240
that take place to let you know what the industry

00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:43.559
is doing because before that technology is rolled

00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:47.640
out, is exposed at the conferences and at the

00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.440
festivals. So then people can take that back

00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:53.750
to wherever they are all over the country. and

00:24:53.750 --> 00:24:57.529
start implementing new techniques and using new

00:24:57.529 --> 00:25:00.829
equipment and just different things to make the

00:25:00.829 --> 00:25:04.190
film industry better overall to the consumer.

00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:07.210
But how many people are actually taking it serious

00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:12.250
like that? Do you run into many people? And we

00:25:12.250 --> 00:25:16.049
can spread this broadly. We can say not only

00:25:16.049 --> 00:25:19.849
just film people, but artists and creatives.

00:25:20.059 --> 00:25:21.960
Yeah. How many of those people are actually going

00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:23.759
to conferences that tell you that they went to

00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.079
a conference within like a year or two years?

00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.720
Probably not a lot of people. That's the thing

00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:32.200
I like about my business partner and homeboy

00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.220
LockDog, because he's somebody that networks.

00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:38.339
He does that, you know, constantly in Atlanta.

00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:41.299
He happens to do a lot of networking, and he's

00:25:41.299 --> 00:25:44.480
bringing those opportunities, you know. But to

00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:48.140
answer your question, outside of Lock, you know,

00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.240
I don't know a lot of people putting forth that

00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:56.279
extra effort to network or sharpen their skill.

00:25:56.619 --> 00:26:01.319
That's why I keep putting the message out about

00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:07.480
iterations, like quality control, feedback, like

00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.720
just having somebody on your team in your industry

00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:16.079
that can give you feedback. you know so so i'm

00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:19.119
right with you 100 you know i mean so you know

00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.140
but like you say i mean the average artist you

00:26:22.140 --> 00:26:24.559
know they hear that and they frown you know they

00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:27.680
i don't need nobody to be in my studio session

00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:31.900
with me or in my writing room or beat room or

00:26:31.900 --> 00:26:35.579
editing room whatever you know but you know the

00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:40.700
proverb is iron sharpens iron you know two chords

00:26:40.700 --> 00:26:45.140
are stronger than one you know, man and woman,

00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:50.819
you know, is is we are created to collaborate.

00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:56.480
It's collaboration because I can make anything,

00:26:56.859 --> 00:26:59.859
but it doesn't have any life until I show it

00:26:59.859 --> 00:27:04.460
to somebody. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's

00:27:04.460 --> 00:27:08.220
all about people and creation and collaboration.

00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.299
And like I say, when we get networking with each

00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:15.680
other you know group economics with each other

00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:19.480
will be more successful everything i do is collaboration

00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:21.619
i don't do them by myself that's what i'm saying

00:27:21.619 --> 00:27:25.339
it's never about me you know all my projects

00:27:25.339 --> 00:27:29.640
they collaboration like it is is that's just

00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:35.220
it you know and i read more that way no definitely

00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:37.759
and then you like with the collaborations you've

00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.390
brought opportunities you like dog ali out have

00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:44.410
brought opportunities to other people who necessarily

00:27:44.410 --> 00:27:47.170
wouldn't get those opportunities. I'm like, let's

00:27:47.170 --> 00:27:49.230
take a loyalty of a blood, for example. That

00:27:49.230 --> 00:27:52.430
movie in itself, I can tell y 'all stepped it

00:27:52.430 --> 00:27:55.390
up. One, from a cinematic standpoint, but then

00:27:55.390 --> 00:28:00.609
two, you had a score. I don't remember if you

00:28:00.609 --> 00:28:03.630
had like a score like you did this time. with

00:28:03.630 --> 00:28:06.289
the person. Nah, nah. Now the scoring in music

00:28:06.289 --> 00:28:10.349
was way more movie cinematic in Lloyd Tova Blood

00:28:10.349 --> 00:28:14.009
versus Trust Issues. Yeah. Trust Issues was more

00:28:14.009 --> 00:28:17.450
like a mix tape. Yeah. Lloyd Tova Blood is like

00:28:17.450 --> 00:28:22.470
an album. Yes. So yeah, there were way more in

00:28:22.470 --> 00:28:25.450
Lloyd Tova Blood. And I actually wanted to be

00:28:25.450 --> 00:28:31.309
even more original and let KD Craig score the

00:28:31.309 --> 00:28:34.960
entire movie. Only I talked to him about it and

00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.720
I would probably definitely have him do it on

00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.240
our next project I just ran out of time, you

00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:43.640
know, that's the same with Hardhead Jacob He

00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:47.460
was gonna mix the whole remix it, you know, I

00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:50.200
just ran out of time, you know So I just had

00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:54.599
to do a lot of things on my own But just for

00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:58.500
the sake of time, you know Once we lost Rob,

00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:01.279
you know, the leading character Smoke, he got

00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:05.950
killed when we was about 95 % into shooting the

00:29:05.950 --> 00:29:08.470
movie. We were pretty much done. We had a few

00:29:08.470 --> 00:29:12.569
more scenes to go and he got murdered. And so

00:29:12.569 --> 00:29:17.589
I just, you know, it still hurt me to this day,

00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:20.289
you know, and it just, I didn't want to see the

00:29:20.289 --> 00:29:21.930
project. I didn't want to do nothing on the project.

00:29:22.190 --> 00:29:23.730
You know, it was probably like three months.

00:29:23.769 --> 00:29:27.250
I actually had a dream. I had a dream. I dreamed

00:29:27.250 --> 00:29:29.390
about him. He had on an outfit that he wore in

00:29:29.390 --> 00:29:32.839
the movie. And he was like, I ain't dead, bro.

00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.440
I ain't dead. And I knew what that meant. I was

00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.339
like, it's time to get up and edit this movie.

00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.740
Yeah, because you lived on for the film. Yep.

00:29:41.140 --> 00:29:43.599
Yep. Yep. I love the fact that you didn't stop,

00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:45.559
though, because, you know, I don't think people

00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.400
realize that, too. When stuff like that happens,

00:29:47.539 --> 00:29:50.160
it takes a lot out of a creative, because you're

00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.559
putting so much into it. Then mentally, you're

00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.400
like, oh, my goodness. You know what I'm saying?

00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:57.200
You have to process up. process something in

00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.819
real time, but then also deal with the fact that

00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:02.819
you had a close connection. You saw the potential

00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:07.859
for this person's talent. And then, you know,

00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:10.259
everything that comes around with just dealing

00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:13.980
and processing that in itself. So, yeah, I'm

00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:15.700
glad he was able to like, you know, get over

00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:18.099
that hurdle and put it out. Because like I said,

00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.920
it's for the greater good. And in the addition

00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.720
of like, You know, it's not your fault. You know

00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.140
what I mean? But feeling like it's your fault.

00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:33.680
A piece of it is your fault as well. So, you

00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:35.700
know, I believe life and death is in the power

00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:38.920
of the tongue. Several things I have filmed have

00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.700
came to light, like exactly how I filmed him.

00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.460
Oh, wow. The way he died is how he died in the

00:30:46.460 --> 00:30:50.240
movie. We didn't show how he died in the movie

00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.119
because he died in real life, just like that.

00:30:53.210 --> 00:30:57.630
And so we didn't want the family to have to go

00:30:57.630 --> 00:31:01.230
through the trauma of seeing him die on film.

00:31:01.869 --> 00:31:08.049
But we edited that scene out the film. But it

00:31:08.049 --> 00:31:10.349
was very similar. I'll just say that without

00:31:10.349 --> 00:31:14.049
going into too many details. I love the fact

00:31:14.049 --> 00:31:18.349
that you respected that too. Oh yeah. I'm telling

00:31:18.349 --> 00:31:20.630
you it's never about me. That's what I'm saying.

00:31:22.089 --> 00:31:27.170
That was the best ending, the best edit and movie

00:31:27.170 --> 00:31:30.549
cut. But it was bigger than me. It was bigger

00:31:30.549 --> 00:31:35.549
than Lock Dogg. He has a mother, he has kids,

00:31:36.289 --> 00:31:38.769
and even if they don't watch the movie but one

00:31:38.769 --> 00:31:45.089
time, we had to be as respectful to that as possible

00:31:45.089 --> 00:31:49.829
because we do care. So does that circumstance

00:31:49.829 --> 00:31:52.710
change how you think about making movies in the

00:31:52.710 --> 00:31:55.650
future then? It does, man. I've been saying it.

00:31:55.650 --> 00:31:57.970
I tell people I work with all the time. You know

00:31:57.970 --> 00:32:00.029
what I'm saying? I tell them how it's done. I'm

00:32:00.029 --> 00:32:04.809
like, believe it or not, bro, I told them that

00:32:04.809 --> 00:32:10.950
on set. Like, funny story. Darn tags. Darn tags.

00:32:11.250 --> 00:32:13.009
You know Darn tags, right? Yeah, I know Darn

00:32:13.009 --> 00:32:14.750
tags. Darn tags. You know, he get kills in the

00:32:14.750 --> 00:32:18.589
movie as well. Dark tears didn't show up the

00:32:18.589 --> 00:32:21.250
day. He was supposed to get killed in the movie

00:32:21.250 --> 00:32:24.509
So the scene where the ice cream truck comes

00:32:24.509 --> 00:32:28.750
and shoots dark tears Mm -hmm He's filmed on

00:32:28.750 --> 00:32:32.849
a totally separate day. I Edited him in that

00:32:32.849 --> 00:32:36.710
scene because he didn't show later on. He told

00:32:36.710 --> 00:32:41.809
me it was really because The jinx like he just

00:32:41.809 --> 00:32:45.380
didn't want to do it. Yeah and when it was time

00:32:45.380 --> 00:32:48.400
to start filming those scenes I told him I said

00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:52.339
I quoted the Dirk you know little Dirk Dirk has

00:32:52.339 --> 00:32:57.220
a song and he says uh I can't be getting killed

00:32:57.220 --> 00:33:00.740
in movies going out goofy you know and I was

00:33:00.740 --> 00:33:03.640
quoting that and I because I'm because I don't

00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:07.339
even when we did trust issues I did the same

00:33:07.339 --> 00:33:10.160
thing like he was supposed to get killed in the

00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.609
movie I was like we killing Sosa You know what

00:33:13.609 --> 00:33:16.029
I'm saying? Like, come on, y 'all. Like, this

00:33:16.029 --> 00:33:19.009
ain't even that kind of movie. Like, we gonna

00:33:19.009 --> 00:33:21.430
kill a making legend. That's like killing Lock

00:33:21.430 --> 00:33:24.990
Log in the movie. Like, no, you not gonna write

00:33:24.990 --> 00:33:27.730
a movie and kill Lock, you know, in a movie like

00:33:27.730 --> 00:33:29.990
that. You know, that's kind of based on real

00:33:29.990 --> 00:33:33.809
life and making. Like, no way. So, that's like

00:33:33.809 --> 00:33:36.029
trust issues. I didn't show him dying. You know

00:33:36.029 --> 00:33:38.230
what I'm saying? I just showed his legs, you

00:33:38.230 --> 00:33:42.279
know. Because I don't like doing it. Because

00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:48.180
I believe in words. Words are powerful. So when

00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:51.180
I'm working with people, writers and other producers,

00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:54.460
I try to err on letting them have their creative

00:33:54.460 --> 00:33:57.119
freedom. I'm never trying to box somebody or

00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:01.259
control the whole narrative. But I'm very into

00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:05.680
my beliefs. And I will cap it when I feel like

00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.440
that might be a little too far. Yeah, but um,

00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.280
it's a piece of me as well though, you know,

00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.760
very artsy They want to do things exactly how

00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.639
we envision them, you know, I feel right You

00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.880
know the lot of crossing the line, you know,

00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.059
I got that in me, you know, but I Definitely,

00:34:28.059 --> 00:34:32.719
you know, I don't kill nobody You know in a realistic

00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:41.730
way. Yeah Especially when they plan a character,

00:34:42.110 --> 00:34:45.369
that's like playing themselves. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:34:45.369 --> 00:34:47.909
Yeah. Because that's too close to life. It's

00:34:47.909 --> 00:34:51.449
too close to real. It's doing a ritual, Andres.

00:34:51.650 --> 00:34:55.110
It's a ritual. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like,

00:34:55.130 --> 00:34:58.469
it's lights and mirrors. These cameras are mirrors.

00:34:58.889 --> 00:35:03.409
And it's a script, words. Like, it's a ritual,

00:35:03.809 --> 00:35:10.469
you know? What we do, you have to have some ethics.

00:35:11.510 --> 00:35:14.210
You just can't do everything that come to your

00:35:14.210 --> 00:35:17.429
imagination. You gotta have some ethics. You

00:35:17.429 --> 00:35:20.570
gotta have some controls and some boundaries.

00:35:21.110 --> 00:35:24.449
And you gotta respect that we are performing

00:35:24.449 --> 00:35:28.730
magic. Yeah. I like how you said that because

00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:34.280
I don't... I think there's a new age generation

00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.159
of making content, especially when it comes to

00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:39.679
films, whether it be short films or long films,

00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:45.699
right, or even series. Yeah. And like, I'm gonna

00:35:45.699 --> 00:35:48.920
tie this into me shooting a reality show, right,

00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:52.360
this past summer. I shot my first reality show.

00:35:53.739 --> 00:35:56.199
It's called Bounce Runa A. I signed the NDA and

00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:57.519
all that stuff. I can talk about it now because

00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.119
it's out. It's on Patreon. She loves it. I'm

00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.239
actually editing a few more episodes tomorrow.

00:36:04.659 --> 00:36:07.039
Edited up to seven episodes that are already

00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:11.960
out. The seventh one drops Friday. And then it's

00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:13.760
supposed to be like 12. Realistically, without

00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.840
the footage I have, it'll probably be about 15

00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.260
maybe. But there's a certain way. And like, cause

00:36:21.260 --> 00:36:23.039
you know, when you're sitting there just filming

00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.559
people and they get used to the camera, you can

00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.539
see a lot of different things. Yep. And I have

00:36:28.539 --> 00:36:33.139
lots of different footage. That you per - I show

00:36:33.139 --> 00:36:36.579
the world. Exactly. Yeah. And I want, you know

00:36:36.579 --> 00:36:39.480
what I'm saying? I meet where they want to present.

00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.219
And I'm saying that people shouldn't, I ain't

00:36:42.219 --> 00:36:43.960
saying that people ain't keeping it real or whatever,

00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:45.960
but it's just certain things that I'm saying

00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.820
you keep to yourself. certain moments and stuff,

00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:52.820
even if it was like, you know, I have some funny

00:36:52.820 --> 00:36:55.780
bloopers that would be funny, but because if

00:36:55.780 --> 00:36:59.119
they were exposing the scene at the time, the

00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.840
person that it embarrassed, it wouldn't be a

00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:06.980
good look for them. Yep. And I'm like, you know,

00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:10.320
some things you just, and like you said, ethics,

00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.329
I think nowadays because of what people are chasing,

00:37:15.610 --> 00:37:18.170
the drilling rush or dope memes or whatever,

00:37:18.730 --> 00:37:22.889
all that. With social media, I think their ethics

00:37:22.889 --> 00:37:26.389
have been compromised to where they seem like

00:37:26.389 --> 00:37:29.889
they don't have any ethics at all. Yeah, I couldn't

00:37:29.889 --> 00:37:33.150
agree more. And likewise, man, I got stuff that'll

00:37:33.150 --> 00:37:37.030
go viral. I got stuff that'll embarrass people,

00:37:37.550 --> 00:37:40.550
but... That's my trust with my talent and people

00:37:40.550 --> 00:37:44.070
that I'm working with. When they know they can

00:37:44.070 --> 00:37:47.869
trust me as the editor, I'm not going to do anything

00:37:47.869 --> 00:37:51.869
that's not going to take them higher. If it's

00:37:51.869 --> 00:37:53.769
something that's not a good loop for you, they

00:37:53.769 --> 00:37:56.349
can trust me, then I'm not going to show it.

00:37:57.269 --> 00:38:00.949
And it's going to start on set, really, trying

00:38:00.949 --> 00:38:03.869
to make sure that everybody is presentable and

00:38:03.869 --> 00:38:06.550
we're doing things that you're going to be comfortable

00:38:06.550 --> 00:38:11.630
with. you know in open it's it's tons of things

00:38:11.630 --> 00:38:14.829
in loyalty over blood that made it like i say

00:38:14.829 --> 00:38:18.849
rob scene and some of the sex scenes you know

00:38:18.849 --> 00:38:22.949
yeah and it could have more nudity more live

00:38:22.949 --> 00:38:28.269
you know you know i'm i'm conscious you know

00:38:28.269 --> 00:38:32.969
what we show yeah i love it because you create

00:38:32.969 --> 00:38:36.880
some ethics man you gotta have some ethics Love

00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:38.400
it because you're creating a safe environment

00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.360
with people and that's going to keep you, you

00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:44.539
know one gameplay employed Yeah people to trust

00:38:44.539 --> 00:38:50.440
you with a project So I'm like you do a lot.

00:38:50.860 --> 00:38:53.099
Do you write as well, right? You're right script

00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:56.380
writing too, right? No, I've never written it

00:38:56.380 --> 00:39:00.840
never written a really Group consult. Oh, yeah,

00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.579
I've never written a script. I've never written

00:39:03.579 --> 00:39:08.940
one word Only the voiceovers. Well, I have written

00:39:08.940 --> 00:39:12.739
the voiceovers. I wrote the voiceover in trust

00:39:12.739 --> 00:39:15.679
issues, and I wrote the voiceover in loyalty

00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.579
over blood. And I do that because I want to write

00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:24.900
the voiceover from the perspective of the viewer.

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:29.699
So it's like me as the editor, I'm watching the

00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:34.380
film, right? So I feel I see the film differently

00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:38.380
than the writer. Yes, so the only parts of the

00:39:38.380 --> 00:39:41.099
films I've written is the voiceovers everything

00:39:41.099 --> 00:39:45.320
else I just script consult, you know, I give

00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.559
the feedback I give the ideas I make sure that

00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:53.199
we're following the story structure, you know

00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.900
That's my job, you know just to make sure that

00:39:56.900 --> 00:40:01.119
the writer has the best piece of They can have

00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.119
you know from my limited not You know just being

00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.519
a consultant to them. So that's my job in the

00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.099
first three films First two films rather the

00:40:13.099 --> 00:40:16.980
script consultant and I've written the voiceovers

00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:21.559
Locked out wrote all of Lloyd's over blood every

00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:25.260
single word other than the voiceover Ad libs

00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:29.920
from the town. Yeah, of course trust issues John

00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.880
Claude wrote trust issues John Claude be jizzling

00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:42.239
a lot. But John Claude wrote it. But we were

00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:48.760
all so. The edit of trust issues is just a story

00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:52.519
on his own. So a lot of times I say it really

00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:56.099
was no script to trust issues. But because it

00:40:56.099 --> 00:41:01.969
was, you know, it was just. Stuttered a bit,

00:41:02.130 --> 00:41:05.289
you know, so the trust issues the hardest film

00:41:05.289 --> 00:41:09.070
I ever had to edit in my life hands down That

00:41:09.070 --> 00:41:13.769
project was alchemy. Like yeah, we had to edit

00:41:13.769 --> 00:41:19.110
that movie into a story Versus versus it being

00:41:19.110 --> 00:41:22.329
written to a story. That's the same thing That's

00:41:22.329 --> 00:41:26.150
why trust issues has more voiceover than loyalty

00:41:26.150 --> 00:41:29.650
over blood Mm -hmm. See because as a filmmaker,

00:41:29.650 --> 00:41:33.489
I'm using the voiceover to tie the story Right,

00:41:34.650 --> 00:41:39.730
you know is it was necessary Yeah, it's a add

00:41:39.730 --> 00:41:43.230
-on, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So

00:41:43.230 --> 00:41:45.590
that's why a lot of people pick it to remove

00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:48.630
the independent movies, you know, they'll show

00:41:48.630 --> 00:41:53.769
the little ski somebody freezing Yeah 30 years

00:41:53.769 --> 00:41:56.650
ago, I was you know, and they started voiceover

00:41:56.650 --> 00:42:03.389
Because because voice for for professional Industry

00:42:03.389 --> 00:42:07.570
writers like voiceover screams. The writing was

00:42:07.570 --> 00:42:12.530
weak Mmm. Yeah giving away nuggets. I'm always

00:42:12.530 --> 00:42:14.929
give away the guy. Yeah, do you want it or not?

00:42:15.909 --> 00:42:22.530
Hey I love it What have you learned about the

00:42:22.530 --> 00:42:25.449
business side? Because y 'all have taken things

00:42:25.449 --> 00:42:27.769
to a whole new level. Like you said, going in

00:42:27.769 --> 00:42:30.369
2B, having it on the platform. I think I did

00:42:30.369 --> 00:42:32.929
Amazon Prime as well, too. Yeah, Amazon Prime.

00:42:33.170 --> 00:42:36.309
And I'm going to give you another nugget that

00:42:36.309 --> 00:42:39.730
people should probably pay for. My lesson this

00:42:39.730 --> 00:42:44.110
year with the business side and distribution.

00:42:45.010 --> 00:42:49.070
We promoted Amazon when it dropped, and we should

00:42:49.070 --> 00:42:52.329
not have. Right? We should have waited until

00:42:52.329 --> 00:42:58.750
the film hit 2B and ran one campaign. So when

00:42:58.750 --> 00:43:03.630
we promoted Amazon, when it hit 2B, it was like

00:43:03.630 --> 00:43:07.869
we had to relaunch the product. And the Amazon

00:43:07.869 --> 00:43:13.269
money is like this. Let me get smaller. And the

00:43:13.269 --> 00:43:17.289
2B money is like this. Let me get bigger. Right?

00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:24.639
I feel like we funneled our audience to Amazon

00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:30.219
and we made pennies from all those people that

00:43:30.219 --> 00:43:33.260
went and bought that movie on Amazon. And if

00:43:33.260 --> 00:43:36.880
we oughta just wait it and use all of our ads,

00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.659
all of our content and just launched that film

00:43:40.659 --> 00:43:45.780
one time, I feel like we would have revenue even

00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:50.340
more if we would have lunch that fan one time,

00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.179
instead of lunching it two, three times, right?

00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:55.460
You know, because I mean, we promote the premiere,

00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.860
then we promote Amazon, and then we got to come

00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:03.579
back and promote 2B, you know? So, um... It's

00:44:03.579 --> 00:44:07.079
still really a testament to how strong of an

00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.719
independent marketing campaign we have in this

00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.820
area. Because I mean, you know, it's hard to

00:44:12.820 --> 00:44:15.039
get people to pay attention to independent stuff.

00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:17.420
It's just like we was talking about. Like most

00:44:17.420 --> 00:44:19.960
people can't see the vision until you're in Hollywood

00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.980
and they can't call you no more. Right? I'll

00:44:22.980 --> 00:44:24.739
be telling people that. I was like, support the

00:44:24.739 --> 00:44:26.039
people while you can because you ain't going

00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:27.320
to get access to them unless they're free. Oh,

00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.380
yeah. I'm taking notes every day. Right? I get

00:44:30.380 --> 00:44:34.380
10 million, you know? I'm going to party with

00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:37.320
my supporters and I'm going to give a check.

00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.880
Appreciate you for interviewing me on your podcast

00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.480
when I was a little up and coming filmmaker.

00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:48.980
I love it. But yeah, man, you know, yeah, it's

00:44:48.980 --> 00:44:53.599
hard for people to see the vision. So, you know,

00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:58.139
support is already took, you know, so make any

00:44:58.139 --> 00:45:01.179
type of mark. It just makes it even tougher.

00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:03.619
So that would be my advice. That's one thing

00:45:03.619 --> 00:45:06.300
that I've learned from the business this year.

00:45:07.539 --> 00:45:10.420
We already, it's already hard enough for us.

00:45:10.780 --> 00:45:14.320
So let's try not to have to get the people's

00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:19.380
attention twice for release. Yeah. Yeah. So that's

00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:21.619
probably the biggest thing that I've learned

00:45:21.619 --> 00:45:24.719
this year just from the business side. I gotta

00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.519
go into that script thing again on the business

00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.139
side. I mean, it's the filmmaker side, but the

00:45:30.139 --> 00:45:34.179
product is the business and your script is the

00:45:34.179 --> 00:45:36.900
most important part of the business. And that's

00:45:36.900 --> 00:45:38.739
just like when I watch a lot of people other

00:45:38.739 --> 00:45:41.179
films, it's not that they're not good films.

00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:43.719
They just not finished and they don't know that

00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.219
they're not finished, you know. So, and that

00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:49.610
comes from the writing and the editing. Right?

00:45:49.909 --> 00:45:51.710
You just need to clean it up a little bit more

00:45:51.710 --> 00:45:53.789
in the editing and you need to clean it up a

00:45:53.789 --> 00:45:56.070
little bit more in the writing. You know, and

00:45:56.070 --> 00:45:59.550
if you had a good consultant, you know, then

00:45:59.550 --> 00:46:02.110
you could, you, you, you could know that. Right?

00:46:02.409 --> 00:46:05.110
Like, yeah, I definitely understand that. That's

00:46:05.110 --> 00:46:07.329
why they have them. That's what you know what

00:46:07.329 --> 00:46:09.710
I mean? It's like, I wouldn't even look at movies.

00:46:09.789 --> 00:46:11.630
I wouldn't even watch stuff the same anymore.

00:46:11.809 --> 00:46:13.289
I'll be sitting there watching stuff and now

00:46:13.289 --> 00:46:15.050
I'm looking at the different frames of how they

00:46:15.050 --> 00:46:16.969
go from this scene and that scene. And then like

00:46:16.969 --> 00:46:19.980
you said, with the cleanup of the story I'll

00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:22.099
see where oh they changed shirts they wouldn't

00:46:22.099 --> 00:46:23.579
they ain't even having the same shirt or they

00:46:23.579 --> 00:46:26.320
moved positions yeah then I was like how do you

00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.159
jump from this story to this story don't make

00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.599
sense yeah but I get it because sometimes you

00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.739
know I'm saying you know you don't get to shoot

00:46:33.739 --> 00:46:35.679
ideally you don't get to shoot everything in

00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.760
sync with how you want it I'm like that's that's

00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.260
a perfect storm type of situation right you got

00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:42.300
to go with the availability of you know the people

00:46:42.300 --> 00:46:44.280
who you work with depending on how massive the

00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.480
project is an independent film That's a massive

00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:51.719
project. That's a lot of days, countless hours.

00:46:52.179 --> 00:46:53.940
And then on the editing side, I'm like, you know

00:46:53.940 --> 00:46:56.340
what I'm saying? There's a lot of editing as

00:46:56.340 --> 00:46:58.760
well. Facts. I don't think people really get

00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.719
to understand, you know what I'm saying? Really

00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.539
take on a project like that. So for you to do

00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:05.519
it, for the love that you do it, and the quality

00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.659
of what you can do it is phenomenal. And then

00:47:08.659 --> 00:47:10.719
everybody needs to be consulting you. And then

00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.539
anybody who's trying to really break into the

00:47:13.539 --> 00:47:16.469
industry needs to come up under you. and like,

00:47:16.510 --> 00:47:18.409
you know, following your footsteps and stuff.

00:47:19.230 --> 00:47:22.010
Yeah. I mean, and a lot of people do, you know,

00:47:22.090 --> 00:47:25.210
a lot of people do tap in and then a lot of people

00:47:25.210 --> 00:47:31.449
don't tap in, you know, so, but I'm here. I mean,

00:47:32.090 --> 00:47:35.969
and I'll help anybody because it's just like

00:47:35.969 --> 00:47:40.010
you said, that's how I see it. That if we all

00:47:40.010 --> 00:47:44.480
rise, I'm going to rise too. you know so I want

00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:48.440
to see your film do good because I'm investing

00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:52.400
in it as I want people to be like that film over

00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.440
that was good them boys were making then that

00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.920
you know that helped all of us you know what

00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:03.059
I mean so I'm invested into seeing every filmmaker

00:48:03.059 --> 00:48:08.780
do good work and we have the best products possible

00:48:08.780 --> 00:48:12.599
as a representation for our market because when

00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.380
the market go up if people from Texas paying

00:48:15.380 --> 00:48:20.639
attention to making because of let's say uh bernard

00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.539
film line of allegiance then tubi might feed

00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:28.639
them loyalty over blood right after that that's

00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:32.440
just like right now if i if i go into my tubi

00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.690
app uh my logarithm I'm gonna probably see some

00:48:36.690 --> 00:48:39.750
making films in there now, right? It's like they're

00:48:39.750 --> 00:48:44.230
a lot of very very smart So soon as I log in

00:48:44.230 --> 00:48:47.309
you see us in there trending. Lloyd's over blood

00:48:47.309 --> 00:48:50.909
recommended the logarithm is smart And I'm gonna

00:48:50.909 --> 00:48:54.070
just go over. Let me see if I see somebody from

00:48:54.070 --> 00:49:00.150
making Just quickly Because a lot of times I

00:49:00.150 --> 00:49:04.460
do I see us and then they're go Bernard Or there

00:49:04.460 --> 00:49:09.519
go Rasta Boy, you know, so um Yeah, man, you

00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.480
know when the whole market go up everybody go

00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:17.820
So, uh, you know, I'm with that, you know, I'm

00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:20.380
I'm help that go Rasta Boy right there for the

00:49:20.380 --> 00:49:23.900
global money Yeah, you see what I'm saying? So,

00:49:24.059 --> 00:49:27.579
um Yeah, man, that's what I'm saying, man. People

00:49:27.579 --> 00:49:31.840
got to understand how to win Get out they own

00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.840
way you know realize that it's collaboration

00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:38.619
over competition understand what you're supposed

00:49:38.619 --> 00:49:43.420
to be doing to right yeah competition is cool

00:49:43.420 --> 00:49:47.639
we just got a toxic way of competition so let's

00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.360
put that on the table andres this is how you

00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.820
compete by making your product the best you can

00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:57.199
yeah you don't compete by not supporting me yeah

00:49:57.980 --> 00:50:00.719
down in me or talking about me behind my back

00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:03.739
or talking about my film when it's good or you

00:50:03.739 --> 00:50:06.400
wanna be better than us, that ain't the right

00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.739
competition. The right competition is you seeing

00:50:09.739 --> 00:50:12.780
loyalty over blood and saying, okay, let me get

00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:15.699
my film the best I can get it. I want my quality

00:50:15.699 --> 00:50:19.179
better than that, right? Or comparable to that.

00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.340
So we gotta learn how to compete. And when you

00:50:22.340 --> 00:50:25.219
understand that, now you can tap in with me and

00:50:25.219 --> 00:50:28.199
I can help you compete. right yeah like oh you

00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.760
can help me compete because you're not seeing

00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.739
it like a personal battle anymore but we're all

00:50:34.739 --> 00:50:37.699
just in the marketplace and we're trying to make

00:50:37.699 --> 00:50:41.639
the best product that we can that's just like

00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:45.659
i opened the podcast talking about my other fellow

00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:49.280
filmmakers in the area that's like cinema saltine

00:50:49.309 --> 00:50:53.329
He did a commercial for Parish Downtown and the

00:50:53.329 --> 00:50:56.630
color grading was so good. I screenshotted it

00:50:56.630 --> 00:51:00.309
and put it in the chat GPT. I said, chat, tell

00:51:00.309 --> 00:51:02.650
me how this man making his color grade look that

00:51:02.650 --> 00:51:06.230
good. You know what I'm saying? And I could have

00:51:06.230 --> 00:51:08.809
hit some, he cool like that. We done worked on

00:51:08.809 --> 00:51:13.170
the same set before, but that's... healthy competition.

00:51:13.329 --> 00:51:15.409
You see what I'm saying? I'm telling you the

00:51:15.409 --> 00:51:18.190
man product good. Go watch the man product. It's

00:51:18.190 --> 00:51:21.530
not a personal competition between me and him.

00:51:21.550 --> 00:51:24.710
Who better than who, you know? It's just about

00:51:24.710 --> 00:51:27.469
trying to get the product to the best you can

00:51:27.469 --> 00:51:30.489
get the product. Same with Visual Artist J. When

00:51:30.489 --> 00:51:33.409
I first started, Visual Artist J is like one

00:51:33.409 --> 00:51:36.170
of the best videographers in the world, right?

00:51:36.170 --> 00:51:39.369
Right hand making. Like you can go on Instagram,

00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:42.119
You ain't gonna find another videographer who

00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.579
worked just as good as Visual Artist Jack, right?

00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.360
So, looking at it, you like, man, how do I get

00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:53.300
my quality, you know, to look like that or something

00:51:53.300 --> 00:51:57.159
comparable to that, right? That's healthy competition,

00:51:57.380 --> 00:52:01.760
right? Product improvement, product development,

00:52:02.659 --> 00:52:06.070
all the personal... Because you do for him and

00:52:06.070 --> 00:52:09.969
I do for him. Do we like each other? Do we not

00:52:09.969 --> 00:52:12.090
like each other? Come on, man. You know what

00:52:12.090 --> 00:52:15.010
I'm saying? We got to get past that. People got

00:52:15.010 --> 00:52:20.969
to understand how to funnel your energy of competition.

00:52:21.429 --> 00:52:23.889
Because when people say, no, don't compete, that's

00:52:23.889 --> 00:52:26.210
toxic. See, I feel like we're getting lost right

00:52:26.210 --> 00:52:31.800
there. Because that's a natural energy. for people

00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:35.000
to be competitive in business. Business is competition.

00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:40.139
Art is competition. It is competition. It's not

00:52:40.139 --> 00:52:44.699
don't compete, it's how to compete. We need healthy

00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:47.760
competition because you should want to be the

00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:50.539
best podcast on the world. Why would somebody

00:52:50.539 --> 00:52:54.960
tell you not to compete with Joe Rogan? You want

00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:58.780
a 300 million dollar podcast too. You know? Well,

00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.099
actually, I don't even want the 300 million for

00:53:01.099 --> 00:53:04.099
an individual. I want the 300 million for the

00:53:04.099 --> 00:53:06.840
platformer. I want to be media. You know what

00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:08.219
I'm saying? I'm trying to, like, I'm bottling

00:53:08.219 --> 00:53:15.760
my new business after Jason Lee from Unlocked

00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.420
Hollywood. OK. $50 million annually. You know

00:53:19.420 --> 00:53:22.480
what I'm saying? Independent has its own platformer.

00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.920
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. We do now. Of

00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:27.389
course. You know, he got some haters and stuff,

00:53:27.530 --> 00:53:30.949
whatever, because he also serves as a city council

00:53:30.949 --> 00:53:34.070
or some of that in Stockholm, California. OK.

00:53:34.110 --> 00:53:36.610
He just went through all that stuff because he

00:53:36.610 --> 00:53:39.030
sits on the council. He was voted in, used his

00:53:39.030 --> 00:53:41.929
own campaign money out of stuff. Wow. I love

00:53:41.929 --> 00:53:44.190
the fact that he uses his platform to bring awareness

00:53:44.190 --> 00:53:47.510
to what was like, you know, like a Charlemagne

00:53:47.510 --> 00:53:49.070
back in the day. You know what I'm saying? All

00:53:49.070 --> 00:53:52.929
the negative, nasty stuff, whatever. But he's

00:53:52.929 --> 00:53:55.940
transitioned and gone beyond that. Yeah. I'm

00:53:55.940 --> 00:53:58.619
like, yeah, you got to report some things. But

00:53:58.619 --> 00:54:00.900
he's dialed back a lot. And he started using

00:54:00.900 --> 00:54:03.019
this platform and building it. But that's because

00:54:03.019 --> 00:54:06.579
they were trying to basically, hey, ball him

00:54:06.579 --> 00:54:08.119
out the industry or whatever. So he built his

00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:10.659
own. Yeah. But that's what I want to do. And

00:54:10.659 --> 00:54:13.579
I'm trying to put other people on. I had to put

00:54:13.579 --> 00:54:16.059
some people on. That's why I say everybody got

00:54:16.059 --> 00:54:21.500
an origin story with you. I'm trying to get more

00:54:21.500 --> 00:54:22.860
people, you know what I'm saying, put on. I was

00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:26.559
like, I want more podcasts down there to develop

00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:29.239
and like, I want them to get paid for my download

00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.099
one. You can do that. They don't realize you

00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:33.679
can do that. I mean, there's so many different

00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:37.300
ways to get paid with podcasting. And I don't

00:54:37.300 --> 00:54:39.380
care what they podcasting about. I'm like, there's

00:54:39.380 --> 00:54:41.920
so many stories out there that need to be told.

00:54:42.059 --> 00:54:44.000
There's so many people out there like yourself

00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:47.860
who are doing fantastic things that need to be

00:54:47.860 --> 00:54:50.300
highlighted so other people can learn about it.

00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:52.780
Yeah. And I'm like, I was looking at my data,

00:54:52.780 --> 00:54:57.340
uh, prior, uh, earlier today, and I got more,

00:54:57.340 --> 00:55:00.519
uh, people in like Indiana and Ohio and California

00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:02.179
and Texas. I've been talking a lot of different

00:55:02.179 --> 00:55:04.079
people out there. Yeah. They've been listening

00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:10.280
in, uh, Florida, Orlando, uh, the, the, the S

00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:12.860
city wherever that's close to Orlando. I got

00:55:12.860 --> 00:55:17.000
a couple of, uh, spots in Virginia. Metro Atlanta

00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.639
is starting to like, you know, kick in all over

00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:24.980
Duluth, Dallas, Fayetteville, downtown Atlanta,

00:55:25.780 --> 00:55:28.539
Norcross. So I'm getting all these different

00:55:28.539 --> 00:55:32.579
looks. And I'm like, everyone else, I'm like,

00:55:32.619 --> 00:55:34.239
you can do whatever you want to do. And then

00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:35.820
like you said, with the competition, I don't

00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:38.739
care what other people are doing. Yes. Come on.

00:55:38.980 --> 00:55:40.380
I could be like, yeah, you know what? I want

00:55:40.380 --> 00:55:42.920
to do that look too. Yeah. If they got great

00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:44.880
stuff, I'm gonna talk about it. I'm gonna tell

00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:48.280
people, yes, go hit them up. Right. You just

00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:52.000
don't belong to me. Yep. Everyone shares consumers.

00:55:52.460 --> 00:55:55.980
Yep, come on. Nobody has the market on one particular

00:55:55.980 --> 00:55:58.079
consumer and they don't buy from anybody else.

00:55:58.500 --> 00:56:00.960
That's just asinine way of thinking. Come on.

00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:02.920
There's some people who drink Coke and drink

00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.300
Pepsi too. Right, right, right. Or they might

00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:08.679
drink. And even if they don't, it's enough people

00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:12.849
in the market. to service both companies. Yes.

00:56:13.369 --> 00:56:16.090
Like I said, the pot is unlimited. You know,

00:56:16.269 --> 00:56:19.429
we got to get out of the scarcity mentality.

00:56:19.630 --> 00:56:22.610
And I think that's another thing going back to

00:56:22.610 --> 00:56:26.170
our earlier about why competition, chiefs, Indians,

00:56:26.449 --> 00:56:30.389
all that good stuff. Scarcity in our community

00:56:30.389 --> 00:56:34.690
is another thing that drives division because,

00:56:34.909 --> 00:56:37.809
you know, we come from typically, you know, lower

00:56:37.809 --> 00:56:42.239
economic backgrounds. So we got this scarcity

00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.840
mentality that, you know, there's not enough.

00:56:46.340 --> 00:56:50.860
Or if you get on, I'm not going to get on. Or

00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:55.340
you getting on makes me feel insecure by not

00:56:55.340 --> 00:56:59.440
being on yet. You know, because of where we come

00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:02.519
from, you know, you know, you ain't pouring no

00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.619
more. You know what I mean? So, you know, so

00:57:05.619 --> 00:57:09.110
I think that plays a role too. We too scared

00:57:09.110 --> 00:57:13.929
somebody gonna leave us. Somebody gonna come

00:57:13.929 --> 00:57:18.429
up and now they got more than you. You know what

00:57:18.429 --> 00:57:21.289
I'm saying? It's like one of my classmates from

00:57:21.289 --> 00:57:24.670
high school, man, Earl Wise. I talk about Earl

00:57:24.670 --> 00:57:26.750
all the time. You need to bring him on your podcast.

00:57:28.489 --> 00:57:31.210
He does real estate. He's retired already. He's

00:57:31.210 --> 00:57:33.409
not even 40. Well, he probably just turned 40

00:57:33.409 --> 00:57:36.199
because he's like one year younger than me. And

00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:41.119
I'm 41. Lives offshore, you know, has bought

00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:46.079
his mama house, two sister houses. Epitome of

00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:49.420
what the American dream from a black boy from

00:57:49.420 --> 00:57:54.639
the hood is. But some of our peers, I watch it,

00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:57.679
the way they look and their blood pressure change

00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:00.119
when I talk about him. You know what I mean?

00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:03.250
It's almost like... They wanna, you know what

00:58:03.250 --> 00:58:08.190
they call it? They call it dick riding. Yeah,

00:58:08.329 --> 00:58:12.030
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing wrong,

00:58:12.130 --> 00:58:15.170
give people props. Man, come on, man. And I'm

00:58:15.170 --> 00:58:17.210
proud of the dude, man. You know what I'm saying?

00:58:17.250 --> 00:58:20.150
I love it. I love to see it. And like I say,

00:58:20.269 --> 00:58:23.110
when one person succeed, we all succeed, because

00:58:23.110 --> 00:58:26.969
he's left a blueprint, right? Of what's possible,

00:58:27.250 --> 00:58:31.449
first and foremost, and what he did to get there.

00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:36.679
right and it's also uh for me it's it's a self

00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:40.199
-esteem booster as well you know it's just like

00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:43.059
people this this and that's how you know it's

00:58:43.059 --> 00:58:47.199
toxic right because uh i need to be reframing

00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.039
from cursing right no you i'm not regulated by

00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:52.139
the fcc the only thing that i have to do for

00:58:52.139 --> 00:58:56.670
fcc just for podcasts I'm sponsored by certain

00:58:56.670 --> 00:58:59.409
things I have to do today. I'm still trying not

00:58:59.409 --> 00:59:02.670
to curse, right? I told somebody I was gonna

00:59:02.670 --> 00:59:05.230
try to stop cursing anyway, right? I need to

00:59:05.230 --> 00:59:08.849
work on being more clean in my communication

00:59:08.849 --> 00:59:12.469
language, right? But people will put on a jersey,

00:59:12.670 --> 00:59:16.230
right? I got jersey right here, okay? My old

00:59:16.230 --> 00:59:21.389
high school jersey. Like, you're a root for the

00:59:21.389 --> 00:59:26.630
Steelers. throw a party because your team won

00:59:26.630 --> 00:59:31.969
the Super Bowl. People you don't know, but somebody

00:59:31.969 --> 00:59:36.590
you know, you want to be quiet. You know what

00:59:36.590 --> 00:59:38.550
I'm saying? You don't feel the same about them.

00:59:39.230 --> 00:59:43.469
So Earl buying his mama a house is like my sports

00:59:43.469 --> 00:59:46.750
team winning the Super Bowl. Yeah. Does that

00:59:46.750 --> 00:59:51.590
make sense, bro? Yeah, it does. Yeah, I don't

00:59:51.590 --> 00:59:54.409
understand, you know, why people don't have that

00:59:54.409 --> 00:59:56.489
sign energy, but I get it. That's what I'm saying.

00:59:56.590 --> 00:59:59.170
You know, when you're looking at somebody that

00:59:59.170 --> 01:00:01.730
you know, that has accomplished something that

01:00:01.730 --> 01:00:05.090
you haven't, if you're not a very secure person

01:00:05.090 --> 01:00:08.750
in yourself, I understand how that makes you

01:00:08.750 --> 01:00:12.150
feel insecure. It's not that you hate Earl or

01:00:12.150 --> 01:00:16.230
not proud of him. It's just that another person

01:00:16.230 --> 01:00:19.380
success if you're not securing yourself. you

01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:23.199
know can make you feel insecure i guess you know

01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:25.900
yeah because you're basically a mirror that's

01:00:25.900 --> 01:00:28.360
what i tell people you're a mirror because you

01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:31.460
chasing your dreams you're making things happen

01:00:31.460 --> 01:00:34.079
you know a lot of people give up on their votes

01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:35.619
and desires if you talk to people i've talked

01:00:35.619 --> 01:00:40.079
to people a lot yeah this and you get to see

01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:43.719
how people are deterred from one chasing stuff

01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.800
because there's no blueprint for it Yes, we have

01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:49.940
a we have a still we we still have a lot of first.

01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:54.159
Yeah. In our community. Yeah. Doing stuff. Yeah.

01:00:54.460 --> 01:00:57.019
So there's no blueprint for it or whatever. Then

01:00:57.019 --> 01:01:00.260
everybody thinks it's not obtainable. Yeah. But

01:01:00.260 --> 01:01:03.000
then when you do start to chase it, you're reminding

01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:05.300
people that they're not chasing what they wanted

01:01:05.300 --> 01:01:08.599
to do, that they gave up on whatever desires

01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:12.320
and how they saw themselves. You know, you have

01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.880
a vision for yourself. You may not say it out

01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:19.159
loud, but internally, you do. When you're 20

01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.179
-something, you see your go -through, you do

01:01:22.179 --> 01:01:23.619
your life assessment. You be like, you know what?

01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:25.460
At 30, I want to do this. And at 40, I want to

01:01:25.460 --> 01:01:29.260
do this. And also, you get to it. And you start

01:01:29.260 --> 01:01:32.619
thinking. Millionaire by the time I was 26. Yeah.

01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:39.440
That didn't work out. Well, you know, we got

01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.539
to be able to, again, what's missing? Mentorship.

01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:47.059
you know people show us the rote of how to get

01:01:47.059 --> 01:01:50.659
to that because it's easy to say why put it into

01:01:50.659 --> 01:01:53.760
practice and when real life happens and then

01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:57.860
like some people experience survivors remorse

01:01:57.860 --> 01:02:02.659
liar they experience success but because everybody

01:02:02.659 --> 01:02:06.380
they used to hang with didn't get to the same

01:02:06.380 --> 01:02:10.010
level now they feel guilty about what's coming

01:02:10.010 --> 01:02:11.550
their way. I feel like, you know what I'm saying?

01:02:11.550 --> 01:02:13.309
They gotta indulge out and stuff like that and

01:02:13.309 --> 01:02:15.449
try to find that balance. So I'm like, we have

01:02:15.449 --> 01:02:19.030
all these complicated variables that go into

01:02:19.030 --> 01:02:23.710
it. But just to reiterate, I think when we're

01:02:23.710 --> 01:02:26.730
chasing our dreams and stuff like that and we're

01:02:26.730 --> 01:02:28.449
showing people along the way the process and

01:02:28.449 --> 01:02:31.849
we keep getting milestones, people start to look

01:02:31.849 --> 01:02:36.210
at us and they just feel internally themselves.

01:02:36.659 --> 01:02:39.860
that they're not chasing because they gave up

01:02:39.860 --> 01:02:42.900
because of whatever reasons, whether it being

01:02:42.900 --> 01:02:46.420
too hard, whether it be fear, lack of support,

01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:50.179
which I hear a lot of. You know, you just get

01:02:50.179 --> 01:02:52.179
all these different things or whatever. Yeah.

01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:54.539
Yeah. And that's all it is. That's all I see

01:02:54.539 --> 01:02:56.619
it is. It's a mirror. You're a mirror to people.

01:02:56.820 --> 01:03:02.159
Yeah. Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more. So I know

01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:03.880
we've been over here wrapping a good little minute.

01:03:04.019 --> 01:03:06.849
I love this. What is something you want to accomplish

01:03:06.849 --> 01:03:11.750
for 2026 as a filmmaker? As a filmmaker for 2026,

01:03:12.449 --> 01:03:15.309
the first thing that I want to accomplish is

01:03:15.309 --> 01:03:23.010
getting my courses, higherlearning .com, getting

01:03:23.010 --> 01:03:27.409
that fully launched in the marketplace. So I

01:03:27.409 --> 01:03:31.570
teach back. What I have learned in the first

01:03:31.570 --> 01:03:34.469
seven years of filmmaking. I want to be able

01:03:34.469 --> 01:03:40.130
to take a filmmaker and Put them where I am in

01:03:40.130 --> 01:03:43.210
three to six months when it took me seven years

01:03:43.210 --> 01:03:45.969
to learn I want to give it to you in three to

01:03:45.969 --> 01:03:48.849
six months Yes, what's up? I like that when you

01:03:48.849 --> 01:03:50.849
want to when you try to like roll that out But

01:03:50.849 --> 01:03:54.030
I would like for that to be rolled out before

01:03:54.030 --> 01:03:57.480
the first of March Yeah, we're going to talk.

01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:04.539
So I'm already working on it. My website is about

01:04:04.539 --> 01:04:08.280
90 % done. That's why, like I say, you see the

01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:11.519
merch going to be in play. You know how we do.

01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:16.280
We like to build worlds when we create. So Hia

01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:20.699
Learning is going to be that platform, filmmaking,

01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:24.199
business. I definitely want to have you on podcast,

01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:27.960
workshop, that type thing. And it's gonna be

01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:32.820
the base community where you can join the membership

01:04:32.820 --> 01:04:37.980
for just $47 a month and have access to the community.

01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:41.539
And then of course you have a VIP where you can

01:04:41.539 --> 01:04:45.139
ask me more direct questions for a little bit

01:04:45.139 --> 01:04:48.460
more. And then I'm gonna have a one -on -one

01:04:48.460 --> 01:04:52.360
hot ticket offer where I can work with you one

01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:56.150
-on -one. with your filmmaking education or you

01:04:56.150 --> 01:05:00.250
making a movie your first movie so this this

01:05:00.250 --> 01:05:04.730
education uh group uh platform is geared towards

01:05:04.730 --> 01:05:08.489
first time filmmakers But if you're not a first

01:05:08.489 --> 01:05:10.750
-time filmmaker, you can still learn something.

01:05:11.730 --> 01:05:15.170
If you're in business, you can still learn something.

01:05:15.190 --> 01:05:17.750
Or you're just a content creator, right? You

01:05:17.750 --> 01:05:21.309
can still join this group and learn filmmaking,

01:05:21.429 --> 01:05:26.369
business, creativity. Get my feedback on yours.

01:05:27.969 --> 01:05:30.949
So that is the number one thing that I want to

01:05:30.949 --> 01:05:35.090
accomplish as a filmmaker in 2026. Launch higher

01:05:35.090 --> 01:05:40.369
learning. and go into the education side of filmmaking,

01:05:40.670 --> 01:05:43.809
teaching back what I have learned in the first

01:05:43.809 --> 01:05:47.050
seven years, which is just the foundation, right?

01:05:47.409 --> 01:05:51.750
I don't consider myself an expert, but I have

01:05:51.750 --> 01:05:55.269
built a solid foundation. If you want to get

01:05:55.269 --> 01:05:59.389
started in filmmaking and make a movie like Trust

01:05:59.389 --> 01:06:02.489
Issues, make a movie like Loyalty Over Blood,

01:06:02.570 --> 01:06:04.369
Yes, what's up? I learned it. I love it. I love

01:06:04.369 --> 01:06:06.289
it. I love it. So infrastructure, resources,

01:06:06.550 --> 01:06:09.429
everything. Everything. Yeah, man. And a lot

01:06:09.429 --> 01:06:11.750
of people don't have access to good feedback.

01:06:11.889 --> 01:06:16.150
Like I say, I just know how much feedback helped

01:06:16.150 --> 01:06:20.170
to sharpen me as a creator and speed up my learning

01:06:20.170 --> 01:06:23.440
curve. So everybody not blessed to have a partner

01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:26.900
like Ricardo that has a taste for I like I do.

01:06:27.659 --> 01:06:30.579
Everybody not blessed to have a lock dog with

01:06:30.579 --> 01:06:34.000
a quality I like I do. So I'm gonna bring all

01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:37.440
of that online where you could be in Africa and

01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:40.840
get my opinion on your work to possibly help

01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:45.260
you out as a first time filmmaker. For a price

01:06:45.260 --> 01:06:49.199
probably lower than your cell phone bill. Things

01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:53.599
that we've taken saying tools saying frameworks

01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:58.840
knowledge to make On projects, you know, we're

01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:01.500
giving it to you for $47 a month. I feel like

01:07:01.500 --> 01:07:05.219
it's just a no -brainer. Yeah, it is definitely

01:07:05.219 --> 01:07:08.059
Man, yeah, I mean you're right on the line. That's

01:07:08.059 --> 01:07:11.860
actually gonna build In the works of building

01:07:11.860 --> 01:07:16.360
the community. Yeah for first time entrepreneurs

01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:22.440
and what I like to say and where they have accountability

01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:25.980
partners. Facts. That's what people are missing.

01:07:26.619 --> 01:07:29.679
Yeah. So you know what instead of me just building

01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:32.920
it I might just have to partner with you on a

01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:35.219
lot of that. Let's do it man because just like

01:07:35.219 --> 01:07:40.260
you said your vision is a network that's my vision

01:07:40.260 --> 01:07:44.420
for education or school. I don't want to be the

01:07:44.420 --> 01:07:48.500
only teacher. I want it to be a conglomerate

01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:51.679
of teachers and we work out a profit sharing

01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:57.440
and we have like our own college online. I want

01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.920
you to let everybody know where can they go check

01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:02.139
out stuff and if they want to follow things of

01:08:02.139 --> 01:08:06.619
our nature and support. You can find me on Santreal

01:08:06.619 --> 01:08:11.039
Garnett Davis on Facebook. Find me on Instagram

01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:16.899
at 22lcglobal. Go watch my movies. First and

01:08:16.899 --> 01:08:20.319
foremost. Trust issues on 2B. Watch it on 2B

01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:23.500
too. Don't watch it on Amazon. Okay. We campaigning

01:08:23.500 --> 01:08:30.659
against Amazon. But trust issues, Lloyd's foot.

01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:34.880
Go check them out on 2B. Santrell Davis on Facebook,

01:08:35.060 --> 01:08:38.279
man. Hit me up in the inbox. You got Questions

01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:43.520
you want to collab a higher learning calm Will

01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.699
be the educational platform should be launching

01:08:46.699 --> 01:08:50.600
in the next month or so So, um, yeah, man. I'm

01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:53.199
just looking to keep working keep getting better

01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.380
Share the knowledge that I have gained so far

01:08:56.380 --> 01:08:59.100
share the mistakes and experiences that I've

01:08:59.100 --> 01:09:01.939
gained so far To make sure that you don't skip

01:09:01.939 --> 01:09:05.039
the foundation and make the same mistakes I made

01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.659
You know, that's what's up. So y 'all already

01:09:07.659 --> 01:09:11.920
here first go Follow support and if you're you

01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:13.800
know, I'm saying it's a filmmaking concentration

01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:17.539
on a step higher learning That call will be available

01:09:17.539 --> 01:09:19.939
for you to join and we don't we gonna do some

01:09:19.939 --> 01:09:21.720
partnership something. We don't work. So yeah,

01:09:21.819 --> 01:09:24.199
man We're gonna do some partnerships. It's already

01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:28.899
done. It's already done brother. It is done Yeah,

01:09:28.899 --> 01:09:31.220
I keep the fuller the platform and everybody

01:09:31.220 --> 01:09:32.300
that we bring home